James Davis TAYLOR

TAYLOR, The Hon. James Davis

Personal Data

Conservative (1867-1942)
New Westminster (British Columbia)
Birth Date
September 2, 1863
Deceased Date
May 11, 1941
publisher, reporter

Parliamentary Career

October 26, 1908 - July 29, 1911
  New Westminster (British Columbia)
September 21, 1911 - October 6, 1917
  New Westminster (British Columbia)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 6 of 141)

June 2, 1913

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR (New Westminster):

I am rather surprised at the lack of perception displayed by the hon. member for Edmonton (Mr. Oliver). He surely has not observed the operations of lobbyists around this House of Commons recently. I take exception to his remarks in so far as they refer to the hon. member for Portage la Prairie (Mr. Meighen), who, having spoken already, is not privileged to sneak again. I wish to place upon record the fact that the hon. gentleman has entirely misquoted the remarks of the hon. member for Portage la Prairie, giving to them an interpretation and significance which they do not properly bear. I listened attentively to what the hon. member for Portage la Prairie said. He stated that a lobbyist for the banking interests of this country was permitted to occupy a seat within the rail of the Senate, to interfere with the deliberations of that body, and to make suggestions to members of that body as to the course of legislation which they should pursue in respect of the Act under consideration. I was surprised to hear that statement confirmed by an hon. member who seemed to be very conversant with the standing of the lobbyist referred to, and with the brief which he held in this connection. I join my protest with that of the hon. member for Portage la Prairie against permitting proceedings of this kind, particularly when they result, as they appear to have resulted in this case, in nullifying the will of members of this House, ,who, on this revision of the Bank Act, made some amendments in order to protect the interests of the public.

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July 27, 1911

Mr. TAYLOR (New Westminster).

There is an explanation. I said the original telegram sent. If a minister of a Crown goes into a private room in the Vancouver Club-

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July 27, 1911

Mr. TAYLOR (New Westminster).

The same telegram.

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July 27, 1911

Mr. TAYLOR (New Westminster).

I am glad the minister admits his responsibility for the telegram, although I do not see very well how he can evade it in view of the evidence. Just to make it perfectly plain, I will read the evidence of Mr. Robert Kelly.

I quote from page 3111 of the Evidence, question 3428:

Now there is a telegram on file, M'r. Kelly, purporting to be from Mr. Templeman to Sir Richard Cartwright, dated September 20, 1910, which I will read-do you know anything about that?

A. I guess I know something about them all, maybe. I think this telegram, the Hon. Wm. Templeman was asked to send it by Mr. Senkler, Mr. McDonald, myself and many others and was approved of by the meeting, and of course Mr. Templeman knew very little about the case although he went and inquired, and he was assured that this man was all right, and he had nothing against him from Mr. Poster.

Q. Was that sent from the meeting at the Vancouver Club, the dinner given by Mr. Glover?-A. We had dinner at the Vancouver Club with Mr. Glover and adjourned to a little room and discussed the matter.

Q. Who wqs at that discussion?-A. Myself, Mr. Senkler and M'r. McDonald, I think.

Q. And Mr. Sclater?-A. Yes, I believe so. Q. Mr. Duff Stewart?-A. I think he was, but I would not say positively, as I did not pay much attention, but I remember some remarks Mr. Senkler had made in reference to David Lew, that he was anything but what was right, and he fwas very strongly in favour that this telegram should be sent in time.

Q. And Mr. Templeman sent that after that discussion with you others at the Vancouver Club?-A. He certainly did, I don't know if Mr. Templeman sent it, but he signed it I presume.

Mr. Justice Murphy.-I think in justice to Mr. Templeman you ought to tell us what that discussion was that led up to the sending of a telegram, why was he asked by those people to send it?-A. Mr. Templeman was aware as I understood it or had a pretty good idea that there was a certain element in Ottawa trvdu" to get this man, David Law, put in the position of interpreter, and in order to do so they had to get Yip On suspended or dismissed, and Mr. Templeman after he wrote that telegram and before it was sent, I think, he went and made inquiries from Mr. Munro and went over in the auto to see Mr. Foster at the boarding house where be was stopping and Mr. Foster was in bed and Mr. Templeman told me he made an appointment to meet Mr. Foster and Mr. Foster assured him there was nothing against Yip On. and it seems to me that the Minister's name should not have been dragged into this thing the way it has.

Question 34300:

It was stated by Mr. McLean, Mr. Kelly, when he was on the stand, although to some extent it was outside the inquiry, since it has come out it was only fair that you should have an opportunity to give your explanation of his statement that you control Mr. Templeman, what have you to say about that?-A. I have a good deal to say about it. It is quite in accordance with what I expect from Mr. McLean. I do not control Mr. Templeman nor do I think any other man in Canada does, and as far as Mr. McLean is concerned he is the only man I know of who ever had any desire to control.

We are getting some inside history of these gentlemen who are all part of the happy family of Liberals, and who are complimenting each other about the distribution of the spoils of office. The examination proceeds:

Last year, I was in Ottawa and Mr Norman was there so much he had worn out his chair at the Russell House attending sessions and he stayed at home and sent his brother Hugh. I was in Ottawa when Mr. McLean came down. He was staying at the Russell House, also, and he came to me and said that he wanted to get a settlement with the government for this license they cancelled on him up in Dawson, and I asked him what was the amount he thought he should receive and he said that the amount they were looking for was approximately $350,000 and he wanted me to speak to the Minister and I 6add, all

right, I will speak to him and see what he has to say, and I met Mr. Templeman, and told him what Mr. McLean had said and I said if the government owed the McLeans any money why don't they pay them what they owe them and get rid of them; he said if the McLeans were only asking the government for $5 I would recommend the government not to pay it, as they had nothing against the government. If the McLeans think they have any claim against the government they can sue the government; and they did sue the government and the claim was thrown out.

Question 34301:

It was not thrown out, it was withdrawn. That is the case that was reported in the 'News-Advertiser' yesterday morning?-A. Yes, I presume that is the one.

Question 34302:

Who went with you to Mr. Foster's apartments after the Vancouver Club dinner and how dad you come to go to his apartments? -A. We went over in the auto.

Q. Who were writh you?-A. I was trying to think who it was that came with us. I think Dr. Munro went on ahead.

Then, in cross-examination by Mr. Gordon Grant, Exhibit 395, is shown. That, I take it, is the telegram that I referred to just now. The question is asked of Mr. Kelly:

Do you know who drafted that telegram for Hon. William Templeman?

A. I don't remember who drafted it, I know I did not.

Question 34330:

Do you know of any one being with the Hon. Mr. Templeman at the time it was drafted?-A. I could not tell you who drafted it, I don't remember.

Question 34331:

Do you know where that telegram 395 was typewritten?-A. This one here?

Yes?-A. No. I do not, I could not swear where it was typewritten, I do not know.

Q. Do you think from your office?

A. In all probability I should think that was where I would likely typewrite it.

That is the way Bob Kelly was likely to typewrite a telegram from the Minister of Inland Revenue to his colleagues, drafted in the Vancouver Club over night when Bob Kelly's office was closed so that there would be no usual and ordinary traffic from the club down to the office and back again to the telegraph office in the course of sending the message.

I notice that telegram was filed at 11 o'clock in the morning at the C.P.R. Telegraph office 11K; would that assist you in recollecting if you were down at your office or if you had been any other place that morning?-A. No, hut I might have written it the day before.

So Mr. Kelly writes the minister's telegrams, according to Mr. Kelly's statement. Mr. TAYLOR (New Westminster).

Q. But you think in your own office?-A. I think in all probability it was in my own office, but I don't remember, but I signed the telegram anyway no matter where it was typewritten.

Q. Was that telegram written for you and submitted for you to send?-A. No, it was not, I wrote that myself or had it written.

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July 27, 1911

Mr. TAYLOR (New Westminster).

Before this. The explosion at Victoria took place on the 18th September, when the new interpreter and inspector went on the ship and discovered these incriminating documents. On his return to Vancouver two days after the discovery he made his official report. This is where our friend Bob

Kelly comes in. He engaged in the attempt to paralyse the inspector by giving him as an associate the man primarily responsible for the frauds, and who, of course, would prevent him from making any further discovery.

We had an argument in this House the other day as to whether or not the minister sent a telegram asking for the discontinuance of the investigation. The argument was invited by himself, because when In arose, it seems to me with a guilty conscience, he put these words in my mouth, when as a matter of fact I had not said anything of the kind. What I had said was that the minister sent a deterrent telegram to the department at Ottawa. He immediately rose to say it was absolutely untrue that he had sent any telegram asking for the stopping of the investigation. I ask any reasonable man whether that is not playing upon words, whether it can be dignified by any better term than quibbling, when a minister and his associates sent telegrams which in effect would stop any effective investigation although in express terms they did not say so, to make the bald denial in the Blouse that they ever sent any telegram advising the stopping of the investigation. This would have been the wrong term to use in any event because according to the minister himself, Inspector Foster had completed his investigation; having obtained sufficient evidence to justify the further inquiry, which, at Mr. Foster's request, was held by this Royal Commission. Yet we find the minister asking to have Yip On reinstated to continue for seven years more the irregularities which ne and his associates had carried on for seven years unchecked. With further reference to whether or not this had the effect of stopping the investigation I would like to read to the minister the evidence of one of his friends.

Subtopic:   J. H. SENKLER.
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