Harry James BARBER

BARBER, Harry James

Personal Data

Party
Conservative (1867-1942)
Constituency
Fraser Valley (British Columbia)
Birth Date
March 29, 1875
Deceased Date
February 11, 1959
Website
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_James_Barber
PARLINFO
http://www.parl.gc.ca/parlinfo/Files/Parliamentarian.aspx?Item=d9fde75a-6543-457b-8a5b-f3ddf1adb4f4&Language=E&Section=ALL
Profession
pharmacist

Parliamentary Career

October 29, 1925 - July 2, 1926
CON
  Fraser Valley (British Columbia)
September 14, 1926 - May 30, 1930
CON
  Fraser Valley (British Columbia)
July 28, 1930 - August 14, 1935
CON
  Fraser Valley (British Columbia)
October 14, 1935 - January 25, 1940
CON
  Fraser Valley (British Columbia)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 185 of 187)


May 3, 1926

Mr. BARBER:

The hon. member himself referred to a lot of rumours and this one we believed was well founded. However, I am quite ready to withdraw the remark.

Topic:   THE BUDGET
Subtopic:   CONTINUATION OF DEBATE ON THE ANNUAL
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April 21, 1926

Mr. BARBER:

For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other documents passing between the federal Department of Agriculture and the government of British Columbia or any officer thereof, in the matter of the establishment of a restricted T. B. area in the Fraser valley, British Columbia.

Topic:   RESTRICTED T. B. AREA IN FRASER VALLEY
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April 16, 1926

Mr. BARBER:

Mr. Chairman, I should

like to refer to clause 5 to show that I am perfectly in order.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
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April 16, 1926

Mr. BARBER:

There is probably one point on which we all agree, and that is that something is necessary in the way of old age pension legislation. Section 5, now under discussion, is of importance. It practically declares that this shall be a non-contributory scheme, and this is the one thing upon which there will no doubt be disagreement between the provinces. For this reason, I think, it would have been wise for the government to have consulted the representatives of the several provinces before draughting and introducing this legislation. It is questionable whether this is the wisest form of legislation for a young and growing country like Canada. Is it advisable, in a young country such as this, to create by means of an act of this kind the impression that individual provision for old age is unnecessary because the government will provide it? The principle, I think, is wrong; and this is the argument which I believe some of the provinces will put forward. In my opinion it would be better to seek a method of inducing people to provide from their earnings for protection of old age. In this regard I believe clause 5 will fall down. Had the provinces been called together in conference some system might have been adopted that would work satisfactorily; and in any case such a conference should have been called. Personalty I am inclined to favour the scheme suggested by the hon. member for West Calgary (Mr. Bennett) the other evening, that of adopting a scheme of old age pensions, and such a scheme instead of being separate might be made a part of the existing annuities system. Under this system a man can very easily set aside during the earning period of his life sufficient funds by small payments which at the age of seventy will provide for him an annuity equal to or much better than the pension proposed in

Old Age Pensions

this legislation. I think our Annuities Act should be studied by every member of the House. I must admit that until the hon. member for West Calgary drew it to my attention I was quite ignorant of aill the benefits to be derived from its operation. I believe that probably seventy-five per cent of our people are not aware of the provisions of that act. If that system of annuities was better known I think it would fee taken advantage of to a far greater extent, and in that way would help to relieve the very situation we are trying to provide for under this measure.

Now, at the present time we know that from all over the Dominion there is a call from many aged people for immediate relief, and I am of opinion that the source of that relief should be the federal government by working out a scheme of old age pensions in connection with out annuity system.

Let me point out wherein I think this proposed legislation falls down. I do not wish it to be understood that I am opposing the principle of old age pensions. I should like to get together with the other members and work out some scheme that would be in the interests of those people who require relief and at the same time keep in mind the interests of the country generally. Each of the provinces is expected to co-operate in carrying out this legislation, and after it is enacted the right hon. Prime Minister has stated that it will be submitted to the provinces in order that they may take it under consideration. If any province decides to pass the necessary complementary legislation naturally some delay will follow before the legislature takes action. So my first objection is that this scheme will bring no relief for at least two years. From w'hat I know of public opinion in the several provinces respecting this proposal-

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
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April 16, 1926

Mr. BARBER:

Clause o, Mr. Chairman,

provides:

Before any agreement made pursuant to this act comes into operation the governor in council shall approve the scheme for the administration of pensions proposed to be adopted by the province,-

I am referring to that part of it'he clause now. This is essentially a two-scheme proposal, and that is what is going to cause trouble, because I know some of the provinces are in favour of a contributory system. The clause continues:

*-and no change in such scheme shall be made by the province without the consent of the governor in council.

I do not think all the provinces will accept this proposal because Ithey will not all agree to a non-contributory system. Therefore, as the scheme will not be general throughout the Dominion, it will be unfair to the taxpayers of those provinces not participating in it because they will be contributing towards pensions in the provinces that decide to cooperate with the federal authorities.

I came to this House, Mr. Chairman, with the full intention of supporting legislation in the nature of old age pensions, no matter where it originated, whether with one of the smaller groups or with the government. If this measure has been introduced at the demand of one of the smaller groups, I must compliment them on the influence they exert over the government, but I cannot compliment them on the scheme brought down, I feel I cannot go back to my people and say: I supported the

enactment of a measure to provide old age pensions, and the whole thing is settled satisfactorily. The first question some of the old people who are looking for such relief would put to me would be: When are we going to

get (those pensions? I cannot tell them, and there is no man in this House can tell them when they are going to get relief under this bill.

Section 5 agreed to.

On section 6-Application of act in N.W.T.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
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