Raymond Ducharme MORAND

MORAND, The Hon. Raymond Ducharme, P.C., M.D.

Personal Data

Conservative (1867-1942)
Essex East (Ontario)
Birth Date
January 30, 1887
Deceased Date
February 2, 1952
lecturer, physician

Parliamentary Career

October 29, 1925 - July 2, 1926
  Essex East (Ontario)
July 28, 1930 - August 14, 1935
  Essex East (Ontario)
  • Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons (March 11, 1935 - August 14, 1935)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 92 of 93)

February 4, 1926


I hear some hon. members say "ready, aye, ready." The phrase seems to come very easily to the lips of our friends across the floor. Apparently, it is because they used it so often during the last compaign that they know it and know it well. But since they have brought up this subject, I am going to say something about "ready, aye, ready." Being of a somewhat curious turn of mind I looked this up. I wanted to see where and how it was used, and much to my surprise, looking through Hansard, I found that other public men before my leader had used the term "ready, aye, ready." Just for the satisfaction of the House I am prepared, as I expected that somebody might mention the phrase, to read a statement by Sir Wilfrid Laurier which appears in Hansard of August 19, 1914., page 10. This is what he said:

It will be seen by the world that Canada, a daughter of old England, intends to stand by her in this great conflict. When the call comes our answer goes at once, it goes in the classical language of the British answer to the call to duty: "Heady, aye, ready."

No wonder hon. members across the way know the words well. They have, 1 suppose, been practising them since that time. Ready, aye, ready,, without qualification, on a straight question of helping England in time of war; but my leader said, "ready, aye, ready" in his Toronto speech, which I have heard mentioned many a time since I have been sitting here during the last three weeks. He said

"ready, aye, ready," but let me read how he said it. I am not going to read the entire extract, as it is too long, but I will read a part of it. He said:

There is no suggestion at all that we should send armed forces across the sea. Britain merely sought a declaration of solidarity on the part of the Dominions, the existence of which the war itself demonstrated once and for all. Let there be no dispute as to where I stand. When Britain's message came then Canada should have said: "Ready, aye, ready; we stand by you.". ... By that course we do not bring the country nearer war. We take the best step in our power to ensure that war shall not come.

I believe hon. gentlemen across the floor who have used the phrase "ready, aye, ready" so often, did not know this. There will be no excuse for them now,, and any time they want to find it I shall be only too glad to show it to them.

We have heard a great deal during the last few weeks about the supremacy of parliament, how everything must be decided by parliament. After coming across the rather curious instance in which these words "ready, aye, ready" had been used, I delved a little deeper and found this: On page 2403 of Hansard of .Tune 18, 1917, I find these words again of that wonderful chieftain, Sir Wilfrid Laurier:

What I propose is that we should have a referendum and a consultation of the people upon this question-

Speaking in regard to the question of conscription.

I have taken the referendum. . . . When the consultation with the people has been had, when the verdict has been pronounced, I pledge my word, my reputation, that to the verdict, such as it is, every man will submit.

He went further: He moved this amendment to the second reading of the bill that had been proposed by Sir Robert Borden:

The further consideration of this bill be deferred until the principle thereof has, by means of a referendum, been submitted to and approved of by the electors of Canada.

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February 4, 1926


If the hon. member

wishes to know what the conditions are, I shall be glad to take care of him and show him the conditions if he comes down to my constituency. Part of my constituency is rural. Hon. members Have to read, but my constituents see with their own eyes the statements in the press in regard to the loads upon loads of agricultural produce from the United


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States thajt come in and flood our market. This .produce is brought in to satiate the appetites of our own consumers long before agricultural products of a similar character in my own constituency are brought in to market. In my constituency they can grow anything that is grown in any part Of the world, with the exception of the tropical specialties that we have to get from outside. But because these agricultural products can be brought into Canada under the low tariff, or no tariff at all, they flood our market. I heard an hon. member say the other day that although the price was high the people who wanted to buy those early products should get them. They were selling strawberries in Windsor four or five weeks before our strawberries came in at a lower price than our peoiple should get for their own strawberries at the time they are put on the market. When we travel the streets of Windsor, Walkerville or Ford City we see in the Stores American apples, plums and berries, in fact any of those garden products that they grow in the United States, and which we should have produced ourselves.

I do not propose to cover all the effects that the tariff has upon my constituency. It would take too long, and I hope some time later on to address the House on that question specifically. But I wish to say^that my constituency is not only industrial but partly rural; therefore I am as much a representative of the farmer as our friends in the group who sit around me. I will say further, that the men who grow agricultural products in " Ontario, especially in the peninsula surrounding my constituency, have not the protection that the wheat growers of the west have. The wheat growers of the west have a natural protection because of the type of agricultural product with which they deal. The wheat which they produce has practically a monopoly of the Canadian market, and a large quantity of it goes to the American and European markets, because of its high quality: I refer to their hard wheat. It is

not on account of any particular thing done by our farmers, not on account of any particular attention which they give to the growing of that wheat, but on account of the type of land and the climate in which it is grown, which make it such a superior article that they are able to hold their own market, whilst the farmers of Ontario have to meet the competition of similar articles in their market; therefore they have a right to protection.

My people have shown absolutely that they have no confidence in the government; in an intensely Liberal county they sent three [Mr. Morand.i

Conservative representatives. They have watched day by day the young people of Canada going to the United States. I have seen from my own office window twenty-five, thirty and as many as thirty-five people waiting at the American consul's office to get the necessary papers to enable them to go to the United States. I never knew until three years ago what it was to have people waiting in my office to get certificates of health to go into the United States. And what kind of people are these men Who are leaving Canada? The very best of our people, especially the sons of farmers. Yet while all this has been happening this government has been spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring farmers from, Europe. I maintain, Sir, that the idea of bringing farmers from Great Britain is working against a natural law. It is always easy to get immigrants from a country where there is a surplus of the type we are trying to get, but in Great Britain, the farmers are the class they themselves need, so that we have to spend large sums of money to bring them here. On the other hand we find that many Canadian farmers' sons who have been raised upon the land, members of large families occupying farms from which the timber has been taken off, find themselves at the age of twenty or twenty-one forced to leave the farm and go to the cities, sometimes in Canada but too often in the United States. I maintain that if the government had taken that fact into consideration they would have made some arrangement Whereby they would spend on the placing of the sons of our own farmers upon the farms *of the west an amount equal to that which they now spend to secure farmers from the Old Country. The type of population it would' be easy to get here, the type of immigration it would be very easy to secure, is the type we would be able to get if our industrial activities were as they should be. If our factories were humming, if there was work for our own workmen, all you would have to d'o would be to open the door and myriads of those men in Europe would be only too glad1 to come here.

Now, Sir, I maintain that I have no right,, representing a constituency the people of which have so definitely stated that they did not want this government, that they wanted1 no more'of it-I have no right to support this motion, which is nothing m-ore than an idea put forward by a party with broken-down principles. I maintain that had they resigned, as they should have done after the election, my right hon. leader would not have' waited six months to form a government; his government would have been formed long agoi

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The Prime Minister at Richmond Hill said that he could not carry on; that he could not do the work he should do; that he could not grapple with the large problems which were confronting the country, unless he had a straight majority in the House; yet he now comes back and has to rely upon an aggregation of groups with chameleon-like proclivities. I say, therefore, that he is not in a position to conduct the business of the country.

This is the first opportunity I have had of speaking in this House, and I am going to take just a few minutes of the time of the House to say a word or two as regards the admiration and fealty that I have for my leader. His ability, integrity, earnestness and work have no better confirmation than the determined attacks by his political enemies, no better confirmation than the fact that the election has been fought in most places not upon the issues of the day but upon the personality of the leader of my party. I maintain that if he had been in charge he would have said: "Ready" long ago. He would have been prepared to go on.

An lion. MEMBER: Ready, aye ready.

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February 4, 1926

Mr. RAYMOND MORAND (East Essex) (Translation):

Mr. Speaker, allow me, at the outset of my remarks, to convey the pleasure that I feel in being able to give expression to my admiration for the urbanity, impartiality and the dignity of which you have given proof in the high office you occupy. I am especially glad to be able to do so, in the language which is familiar to both of us, my mother tongue, as first French Canadian representative of the few French Canadians inhabiting the shores of the Detroit river.

Mr. Speaker, in rising to speak to this motion and to the amendment, it is only fair that I should say why I propose to object and to register my vote against the adjournment of this House for six weeks. I propose to do So because I believe my constituents

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demand it of me. I shall do so because my constituents have given me and have given to the country a clear manifestation that they have no confidence in this government. That being so, in what plight should I be if I returned to the constituency of East Essex and said that by not registering my objection I had made it easier for the government, which my constituents have entirely discredited, to reorganize and to carry on? The government have very definitely said that they are unable to form their ministry without this recess. That to my mind is a clear manifestation of the fact that they are unable to govern. Since the election on October 29 they have had every opportunity to prepare a legislative programme and to choose the men who should compose the ministry; and they have insisted that they were able to function as a government. And yet they now come and ask for a six weeks' recess; they now acknowledge that they cannot function. Why? If they had asked hon. gentlemen on this side they would have known it from the very beginning.

It is only fair that I should state why 1 believe my constituents have no faith in the government. I should start by saying that I represent a riding which from its very constitution should have returned a supporter of the Right Hon. Mackenzie King, a riding which is intensely Liberal, a riding which contains both urban and rural populations, a riding in which is to be found every nationality, every group, and every colour, possibly there is in Canada with the exception of the Eskimos

yes, a riding which has within its confines to-day representatives of practically every constituency in Canada; a riding situated just across the river from the city of Detroit, at the very gateway through which hundreds and thousands of Canadian citizens have found their way into the United States. My constituents have witnessed that. They have witnessed with their own eyes the difference between the Canadian prosperity, as alleged in the Speech from the Throne, and the prosperity that has been secured in the United States by years of protection. That constituency is the same which sent to this House men like the late Hon. R. S. Sutherland, who graced the chair, and the late Hon. Mr. Kennedy, Minister of Railways; the county that provided- a haven for the Hon. George P. Graham, the ex-Minister of Railways,-in short an intensely Liberal riding. And yet that county saw fit to send to this House three supporters of the right hon. leader of the opposition. The people of

East Essex did not do that as a favour to me; they did it because they felt the government was discredited. Situated as we are, just opposite the city of Detroit, a manufacturing centre, we have seen for the last four years in our community shops and factories close. We have enough closed factories today to give employment to five thousand men, and we daily see five thousand of our people crossing to Detroit to get work. Furthermore, our people daily see truckloads and railway cars of manufactured goods crossing from the United States, goods turned out by American workmen, goods coming over here to take the place of Canadian products that should be manufactured in the shops that are closed. We have seen one factory after another close its doors, and we have not witnessed, with possibly one exception, a single factory established in the city of Windsor within the last five years. Further than that our people see eveiy day load upon load of magazines, newspapers and various other articles brought over from the city of Detroit, consisting of yards of advertising material free of any duty. These publications are dumped throughout Canada, teaching our people to use American goods, and teaching them through a medium the Canadian manufacturer cannot use, because it is impossible for our small manufacturers and even some of our large ones to take a page for advertising purposes in one of the large American magazines. I have a clipping from a newspaper containing the report of a speech delivered a few days ago. In the Saturday Evening Post Frederick Good says that one page alone costs $7,500 per issue. What chance have our small manufacturers to buy a page in that magazine when they have only .the market of Canada, while the United States manufacturers have a market in the whole of the United States, with Canada thrown in as well?

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February 4, 1926


Yet the same people who *are applauding on the other side are ready at all times to cast up to my hon. leader his Hamilton speech. Be consistent, please. Not *only did Sir Wilfrid Laurier propose that .amendment, but the leader of the present government in the House not only supported it, but spoke on it. Again to-day the hon. gentleman referred to my hon. leader and his Hamilton speech. In the division that [DOT]followed the amendment of Sir Wilfrid Laurier to which I refer, we find the names of three or four of the present members of [DOT]the government and quite a number of hon. members who now sit behind them. I do not


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.propose to place on the pages of Hansard the numerous distortions that have 'been given to ,my leader's words. But I say I know him; I have admiration for him, and my admiration is born not of any political expediency but of acquaintance with him, and of a study of his public career. The time is not far distant when that study will have gone further, when it will be widely distributed throughout the whole Dominion of Canada and the cry that he take hold of the reins of government will be so increased, not only from the province of Ontario, not only from the Maritimes, but even from the province of Quebec, that this government will be compelled to resign.

I believe this government never intended to implement with legislation the Speech from the Throne. I was rather interested to pick up a newspaper, Le Droit, which I am sure my hon. friends opposite will not accuse of being a Conservative paper. Le Droit, speaking of the platform of this young man who has had the audacity to oppose the Right ,Hon. Mackenzie King, makes these comments. I will have to translate them literally.

Mr. Burgess is independent of political parties, which compose the actual House of Commons. If he is independent of parties he is not independent of the caprices of the west. In effect here are his points of programme; the building of the Hudson Bay railway, which is a detriment to the central provinces and the provinces of the Maritimes.

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February 4, 1926


I am reading from a

Liberal newspaper, which I believe shows the direction in which the wind is blowing.

Construction of the Turtleford branch line,- I

I do not know where that is, but it is some railway in the west.

when already our national railways are much too extensive for our population; reduction of the duties on automobiles, which will encourage their importation and be a detriment to Canadian industry.

I think that is sufficient to show the real reason why the government do not want the House to be sitting when the by-elections are going on. They know very well that these by-elections-they will not all be held in the west-.will bring up many things which will have a tendency to alienate the affections of the members of the Progressive group.

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