Mr. GUILBAULT:

Not at all; I am not even acquainted with him. Mr. Olivier lives at Berthier.

Mr. GUILBAULT:

Yes, there is a conspiration, but that conspiration is one of both parties to spend the money of a people who refuses to spend anything for armaments; it is a conspiration of both parties to stifle the voice of the people.

Mr. GUILBAULT:

You are not.

Mr. J. P. O. GUILBAULT (Joliette):

I was myself, Mr. Speaker, on the point of submitting the motion which has just been made by the hon. leader of the Opposition, but not however for the same reasons.

The hon. leader of the Opposition is asking for the six-months' hoist. Why so? Simply, so as to be able to come back to his own naval law. That law has already been condemned by the people. For my part, I have condemned it myself, and I have done all I could to have it condemned by others. The Liberal party is now opposed to a temporary policy, so as to give new life to a permanent policy. Do you call that sincerity?

Amendments upon amendments have been proposed, the better apparently to destroy a law which is approved in principle. Both parties seem to have come to the same understanding upon the fact that it is necessary that money should be spent for the motherland. But the hon. leader of the Opposition goes still farther, when he says that money does not suffice for paying a debt of gratitude, and that he is ready to contribute, even by calling upon our children to shed their blood, in reverting to the Naval Policy which he has formerly patronized and which he desires to revive to-day. For my part, I am opposed to that policy, and if I have condemned in the past the policy of the leader of the Opposition, I must also condemn to-day the policy of the Government. Those two policies, I condemn absolutely, and I feel certain that the country also condemns them.

A short time ago, I had the honour to ask the leader of the Government to refer that measure of contribution to the people, by way of a referendum, and also refer in the same time the measure of the preceding administration. I say again, I believe that is the only way to know clearly and without ambiguity how public opinion stands on that matter. But both parties have come to an understanding that such an

amendment, as I had the honour to propose, must be killed.

Mr. GUILBAULT:

The people are, and I am with the people. I simply wish to repeat that I second the motion of the leader of the Opposition, but for reasons

quite opposed to those given by my right hon. friend.