John Chester MACRAE

MACRAE, John Chester, M.C., E.D.

Personal Data

Progressive Conservative
York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
Birth Date
August 29, 1912
Deceased Date
October 5, 1997

Parliamentary Career

June 10, 1957 - February 1, 1958
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
March 31, 1958 - April 19, 1962
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
June 18, 1962 - February 6, 1963
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
April 8, 1963 - September 8, 1965
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
November 8, 1965 - April 23, 1968
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)
June 25, 1968 - September 1, 1972
  York--Sunbury (New Brunswick)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 56 of 57)

January 27, 1959

Mr. J. C. MacRae (York-Sunbury):

Mr. Speaker, my first words must be of congratulation to the mover (Mr. Jorgenson) and the seconder (Mr. Fortin) of the address in reply to the speech from the throne. The hon. member for Provencher brought to the attention of this house in his masterful way the viewpoint, the problems and the aspirations of the western farmer. The hon. member for Montmagny-L'Islet in that beautiful French language expressed very clearly not only the wish but the need for complete national unity of all those ethnic groups that make up our nation. I should like to express the thought that on March 31, 1958 in the general election held on that day one of the most forward steps in national unity since confederation was taken by the good people of Quebec when they sent to this house 50 Conservative members of the 75 who were elected from "la belle" province.

I could not let this opportunity pass, Mr. Speaker, without saying a few words about your person. I have had the privilege of sitting in this house in the 23rd parliament and, of course, in the first session of the 24th parliament under your chairmanship. I have been deeply impressed as I know all hon. members have been by your fairness, your great knowledge of procedure and especially by your keen sense of humour. In this debate it is permissible for an hon. member to discuss his constituency. I should like to follow that precedent and for a part of the time at my disposal this evening discuss the constituency of York-Sunbury, New Brunswick, a beautiful part of a beautiful province. For the past 36 years York-Sunbury has had only four members in this house and I should like to pay my tribute to their service.

The Address-Mr. MacRae

For 19 years our representative was the Hon. R. B. Hanson, minister of trade and commerce in the government of the Right Hon. R. B. Bennett and later leader of the official opposition. For a period of five years it was represented by the Hon. W. G. Clark, later lieutenant-governor of our province. From 1945 to 1947, following his return from war service, our representative was the Hon. H. F. G. Bridges as minister of fisheries. It was a great loss not only to his party and to the government of the day but to the country as a whole when the life of this able young man was cut short in 1947. From 1947 to 1957 York-Sunbury was represented by the Hon. Milton F. Gregg, V.C., whose portfolio for much of that time was that of labour. These hon. gentlemen represented York-Sunbury well and I am happy to be able to have this opportunity to pay this tribute to them.

The city of Fredericton is the largest centre in my constituency. Founded by the United Empire Loyalists in 1884 it is the seat of government for the province of New Brunswick. It has grown rapidly in the past dozen years, a condition which we hope to see continue. Nearby is the cotton milling town of Marysville. I would like to pause for just a moment at this point to express the thanks of the people of Marysville to the government for legislation passed in the previous session, the so-called anti-dumping legislation, which has made it possible for the major industry in this town to continue and to prosper. The textile industry as everyone knows is highly competitive. The legislation to which I have referred provides some degree of protection against the dumping of foreign textiles on the Canadian market which have been forcing our textile mills out of production. One year ago in this small mill there were 110 men and women employed. Today 200 are employed.

Fredericton is on the trans-Canada highway. A beautiful new bridge known as the Princess Margaret bridge will be officially opened this summer. Nearby, too, is the dominion experimental farm which is a credit to the Department of Agriculture and the government service as a whole. Within a few weeks construction of a new administration and science laboratory is to be commenced there costing in the neighbourhood of $1,750,000. Fredericton has its own municipal airport. However, the great expansion of the area has made the present facilities inadequate. Representations have been made to the Minister of Transport (Mr. Hees) about this and I would ask his full co-operation which I am sure will be forthcoming in


The Address-Mr. MacRae giving consideration to the legitimate requests which have been made by the city administration.

York-Sunbury also has other communities of some importance, the railway centre of MacAdam and the Minto coal mining area. I share with the Minister of Veterans Affairs (Mr. Brooks) the honour of representing the fine people in this area. I was deeply distressed as I am sure all hon. members of the house were to hear that there are to be temporary lay-offs in the Nova Scotian coal fields.

The employment picture in Minto has been brighter this winter than for several years past. And while I am discussing unemployment I might mention that I took the opportunity this afternoon to check the employment figures in my constituency and I found that there are 300 fewer people unemployed today than there were a year ago.

Now I should like to tell the house for a few moments about Camp Gagetown. Here in York-Sunbury and Royal is located what is considered to be one of the finest and most modern military installations in the world. The camp area contains over 500 square miles of the finest military training country in Canada, comprising training ranges, general manoeuver areas and localities for exercises for almost all types of warfare from jungle to mountain fighting. Secondly, there is the administration of the camp, with its more than 100 beautiful and functional buildings. Thirdly, and adjacent, is the married quarters where 2,000 homes provide service men and their families with excellent accommodation. Construction of this camp was begun in 1953 and it was officially opened on July 1, 1958 by the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Pearkes).

Beside the camp, where there was formerly only a small village known as Oro-mocto, there is growing a new city under a federal-provincial planning committee. Presently stationed at Camp Gagetown is the third Canadian infantry brigade group, a formation well-officered, well-manned and well-trained, and containing over 3,000 of Canada's finest soldiers. Camp Gagetown has had a marked effect on the economy of our province. It cost in the neighbourhood of $100 million to build. The annual payroll of servicemen and civilians is around $15 million. One example of its effect on our economy is the fact that in its central heating plant alone up to 300 tons of New Brunswick coal is burned every day in the winter time.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk about the economic needs and aspirations of my province as a whole. During the past two

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years especially great strides have been made. The program of power development in the Atlantic provinces, which is part of the policy of this present government, is of vital importance. Without electric power readily available at reasonable cost industry cannot function. The bill passed in the twenty-third parliament to lend $30 million to New Brunswick for the Beechwood hydro development was hailed in all parts of the province. The assistance which was promised, and which will be given in due course, to promote thermal power development will be of inestimable value. I need hardly say that the equalization grants paid to New Brunswick and to the other Atlantic provinces have had a most beneficial effect on our economy.

Mr. Speaker, I would urge the government to give further consideration to the following measures to develop not only New Brunswick but the whole Atlantic area. First, federal capital assistance to develop our resources. Our region is rich in minerals and forests but without federal aid we cannot develop them to the advantage of our area and the rest of Canada. I was deeply interested, as I am sure all members from the maritimes were interested, in the particular clause from the speech from the throne which read as follows:

My government will continue in its economic policies to lay emphasis upon national development. My ministers believe that by the wise use of the resources with which nature has endowed this country, Canadians can achieve a continually rising standard of living. My government will therefore foster and encourage the proper development and use of these resources and the growth of efficient industry based upon them. Many projects for national development have already been put in hand; you will be asked to vote the supply necessary to continue these projects and to initiate others.

Mr. Speaker, we cannot have national development on its full scale unless every part of our nation is developed. There can be no second-class Canadians and there can be no second-class areas of Canada. I would urge our government to look towards the east. We in the maritimes, now as never before, require assistance on a grand scale to bring ourselves out of the financial doldrums in which we have found ourselves for nearly a century.

Our second request of the government is for a capital projects program which would provide federal assistance for provincial projects to enlarge the basic economy of our area. The Chignecto canal and the Prince Edward Island causeway are examples. We are proud, as all Canadians should be, of the magnificent St. Lawrence seaway, but one of the effects of the seaway could be to injure the great Atlantic all-year ports of Halifax and Saint John. We in the maritimes

also contributed to the building of the seaway. I would ask the government, through its appropriate minister, to press with vigour the investigation which is being conducted with regard to the Chignecto canal. We in the Atlantic provinces may again have to look to the sea for the shipment of the products of our region. The Chignecto canal should be of inestimable value from a transportation point of view.

Hon. members may remenber the former member for Westmorland making a very humorous suggestion-I think it was during the course of the twenty-third parliament- to the effect that both the canal project and the causeway project should be carried out at the same time by digging out the Chignecto canal and dumping the material into the strait to form the causeway. Unfortunately, the idea would not work.

Third, we would ask for a program of industrial decentralization. We note that as time goes on more and more industries are being concentrated in the central part of Canada, especially defence industries and crown corporations. We can well remember that during world war II very few defence industries were established in the maritime provinces. The minister of the Liberal government at that time made a statement in defence of this policy when he said: "After all, what would we do with them when the war is over?" In this day of nuclear warfare, dispersion is one of the basic principles of defence. We have the electric power and we can obtain more to turn the wheels of industry. We have the manpower-and it is good manpower-to staff the factories. All we need is a policy of decentralization which will locate those industries in the Atlantic region. I would ask our government to keep that in mind at all times.

Fourth, I would urge the government to implement a transportation policy which will provide the opportunity for our products to be carried to and sold in the markets of Canada at competitive prices. The recent increase in the freight rates of from 17 to 21 per cent was a crippling blow to us. There is an application pending for further increases which, if granted, could be the straw that could break the proverbial camel's back in our area. It is the long haul shippers of the Atlantic provinces who are hardest hit by the freight rate increase. With each increase it becomes harder for the Atlantic provinces to compete successfully in central Canadian markets. Each increase raises the price to both Atlantic region manufacturers and consumers of the goods and raw materials they import. A special committee of government is now studying this problem and legislation is

The Address-Mr. MacRae to be brought down at this session. I hope that the deliberations and the legislation will provide a solution, but no half way measures will serve here. Legislation will not be of help unless there is a formula to protect us from the ravages of future freight rate increases.

One of the most forward steps taken in the Atlantic area in the last few years to raise the standard of living in our region has been the creation of the Atlantic provinces economic council, usually referred to as APEC.

APEC was formed in September of 1954. Its whole purpose was the improvement of the economic status of the area. It cuts across all lines. It embodies all people in all walks of life. The only requirement of those who wish to belong to this organization is that they must want to really contribute to the growth of the Atlantic region. Some of the projects which they have successfully sponsored have been exhibitions of maritime products, area trade fairs and the opening of the Atlantic provinces office in London, England.

APEC is attempting to attract the interest of industry and trade bodies to the possibility of establishing in the Atlantic area branches, outlets and purchasing centres. Its main function at the moment is as a fact-finding organization and then to stimulate the people of the area into economic action on the basis of the facts that it makes available. A former president of APEC expresses it this way:

APEC's basic interest lies in a man with an idea, a government with a policy and an organization with a plan, all designed to produce economic betterment for the Atlantic region and for Canada as a nation.

I would like, Mr. Speaker, finally to discuss for a few moments an item in connection with our basic resource, namely our forests. New Brunswick, or most of its area, is covered with spruce and fir. I believe as an individual that we are not utilizing to its fullest extent the potential that is there. We know from experience what can happen when a resource is depleted through unwise use and exploitation. I had the opportunity recently of reading the brief presented by the Canadian lumbermen's association to the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources (Mr. Hamilton). This body presented a number of extremely valuable recommendations, especially concerning research and I would urge the minister to have his officials thoroughly consider the recommendations of this association. While their proposals must of necessity be viewed from a national basis yet, as I said, because the forests of our province are its greatest asset, those proposals vitally affect us in New Brunswick-

The Address-Mr. Leduc

I have covered those points in connection with my constituency and my province which I wished to bring before the house at this time and in so doing have tried to emphasize the needs of the people whom I represent. May I sum up by saying that we believe- those of us who live in the Atlantic community-that we are entitled to the benefits of opportunity and security, which shall be no more, but shall certainly be no less, than all Canadians have the right to enjoy. I believe that this government, which has proven in fewer than two years to be one of the ablest administrations since confederation, will do everything in its power to see that this objective is attained.


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July 28, 1958

Mr. J. C. MacRae (York-Sunbury):

Mr. Speaker, the resolution proposed by the hon. member for Parry Sound-Muskoka (Mr. Aiken) reads:

That, in the opinion of this house, the government should take into consideration the advisability of introducing legislation to authorize the making of loans, jointly with an approved lending institution, to tourist resort operators for the purpose of constructing or making capital improvements to tourist accommodation.

This is, I feel, an excellent one, and most timely. I was deeply interested in this resolution when I saw it on the order paper because I have spent all my life in a province which is very tourist conscious. I refer of course, to New Brunswick, which has been called the picture province of the dominion. It has been said by previous speakers that the tourist industry is big business, and that is quite true. That is borne out by figures which have been given, but which, I feel, bear repetition. In 1948 the money which came into this country as a result of this industry amounted to $280 million; by 1957 it had risen to $362 million.

Since the end of the second world war travel has grown from being a luxury of the wealthy few to being an accepted way of life for every portion of the North American population. The increase in wages and salaries, the shorter working week and longer paid holidays have put the travelling vacation within the reach of everyone. Tourism has reached the status of a major industry. In addition to the moneys spent in Canada by visitors from foreign lands, millions of Canadians spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year travelling in Canada. Tourism has a special significance for the Canadian economy and society in three ways:

1. Through travel from other countries it is the source of new found money which creates additional commerce and employment in Canada.

2. An efficient, attractive tourist "plant" in this country can hold travelling Canadians in Canada and keep in circulation here money which would otherwise be lured abroad.

3. Travel by Canadians within Canada promotes a deeper understanding of our own country and a greater appreciation of our land and our rich heritage, and it fosters national unity.

Tourism means much to Canada, but it could mean a great deal more if the tourist industry were more adequately equipped to meet competition in the international market. In the United States, for example, the tourist business in 1956 grossed about two-thirds as much as the whole agricultural and livestock industry, according to the United States department of commerce. If this trend continues, tourism in the United States may soon surpass agriculture as a major industry.


Loans to Tourist Resort Operators

Obviously, with more potential tourists than ever before, tourism could be very much bigger business in Canada. But under existing conditions Canada is not holding its own, because last year we had a deficit of $161 million in our tourist account. In other words, while those visiting Canada-and these are dominion bureau of statistics figures-spent $362 million, Canadian visitors to the United States and other countries abroad spent $523 million, a deficit of $161 million which is approximately the same figure as in 1956. It has gone up from a balance, on the other side of the ledger, since 1948, of $145 million.

Canada formerly received the largest share of the money which residents of the United States spent in visiting other countries but that is no longer the case. Since 1953 Europe has attracted more United States dollars through visiting tourists than Canada has. Despite the increase in the cost of transportation, spending by United States travellers in all countries outside the United States is almost double since 1949 but during that same period United States spending in Canada increased by only 23 per cent while Canadian expenditure in the United States rose by 144 per cent.

Many reasons can be given for these travel trends. Among the most important and the more obvious in this competition are the romance of distant areas, the speed of modern air travel, the premium on the Canadian dollar about which I should like to speak later, and the comforts offered by facilities abroad. Competition for the Canadian and United States travel dollar will increase as the world shrinks and as North Americans take more to the motor car and as we, as a people, grow more curious about the world itself. This makes it imperative that Canadians who cater to tourists be able to offer the very best services and facilities to those who demand them when they come here.

It is, of course, sound business practice to improve tourist facilities and accommodation. Millions of dollars are being spent every year by governments, transportation companies and other businesses by way of large advertising campaigns inviting our neighbours in that great country to the south of us to visit Canada and inviting Canadians to travel in Canada. Last year the Canadian government travel bureau spent more than $1,200,000 on an excellent promotion campaign in the United States. I believe that it is economic to back up this expenditure with a product of the highest quality. Promotion of this type abroad and improvement to the tourist plant at home are inseparable. Good advertising alone will not sell an inferior product.

We must offer the traveller more when he gets here. We want him to enjoy the longest possible vacation in Canada and, even more important, to return another year with his friends.

I feel that one of the major deterrents to improvement in tourist facilities and accommodation is the lack of credit facilities. The tourist industry needs long term credit at a reasonable rate of interest. Loans of this nature are not readily available from the chartered banks, insurance companies and trust companies. Without long term credit at moderate interest rates, the return on investment in the tourist industry, especially in the seasonal establishments, is not high enough to allow for the extensive upgrading which is required. The prices charged by the older establishments are low in comparison with those charged by newer places and yet, for what many operators have to offer, the rates are perhaps all that the service is worth. Most of these operators realize that their facilities should be improved and they are anxious to carry out a modernization program but they lack the needed resources. Should an operator improve his facilities by borrowing other than from a bank, insurance company or trust company, he is often obliged to pay a bonus of 10 per cent to 12 per cent and interest payments of eight to 10 per cent or higher. He is then forced to charge very high prices in order to be able to repay the loan in the allotted time. This situation gives the tourist industry a bad name and decreases Canada's competitive position in the industry.

In a recent brief presented to the Minister of Finance (Mr. Fleming) the Canadian tourist association advocated that this government should enact legislation to be known as the "tourist establishment improvement loan act". The resolution now being discussed follows along that line. I should like to place on the record the recommendations of the association with respect to the provisions of the proposed act:

Such an act should provide:

(a) Moneys for the improvement, replacement and expansion of established resorts, restaurants, hotels, motels and camps.

(b) A maximum on individual loans of not less than $50,000.

(c) A maximum term of not less than 10 years.

(d) Loans to be made at a reasonable rate of interest, not to exceed the prevailing rate at the chartered banks.

(e) Funds to be made available by means of government guaranteed loans through the chartered banks.

(f) Total amount to be guaranteed by the government of Canada, not less than $15 million.

The Canadian tourist association is the authority on this particular phase of our economy and it is interesting to consider what

it feels the adoption of these provisions would accomplish. The brief states that in the opinion of the Canadian tourist association the adoption of these provisions would reduce the risk factor of the lending program in two ways:

(i) The operation of tourist enterprises requires specialized knowledge and techniques. It is therefore prudent to guarantee loans only to persons who are established in the industry and have demonstrated success.

The hon. member for Parry Sound-Mus-koka (Mr. Aiken) made that point very well but I feel it bears repetition. The brief continues with these words:

The risk of lending to inexperienced operators, who might fail in business, is therefore minimized.

(ii) Lending through the chartered banks would also minimize the risk factor. The manager of the local bank knows local conditions, and he is in the best position to assess the credit worthiness of the client-to assess his record as an operator and the improvements which are contemplated.

I feel that a loan of this type would have beneficial results beyond the improvement of many individual tourist establishments. It would assist in making Canada's tourist industry more competitive in the world market. It would generate new income which would ease Canada's international trade deficit, especially with the United States. It would support our extensive travel promotion program in other countries. It would provide construction and employment during the fall and winter months when seasonal unemployment is at its peak. It would stimulate every phase of the national economy.

The question was raised when the hon. member for Port Arthur (Mr. Fisher) was speaking about how long the tourist industry had been a factor in our economy. I can well remember as a very young lad on the Restigouche river in northern New Brunswick-that river which is famous all over the world for its Atlantic salmon, the finest fighting fish in the world-United States sportsmen who came up there summer after summer and who had been coming for years. Their contribution to the economy of that particular region was one of the most important factors in the livelihood of many of the people there. I had a personal interest in it because, as a young teacher in a community on that river, 90 per cent of my salary was paid by the United States sportsmen. I began to realize how much the Atlantic salmon was worth to the people there.

I feel, however, that we in Canada who are interested in the tourist industry-while most of us have no direct connection with it yet we are interested in the economy of the nation and the financial betterment of our country-have missed the boat badly in


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Loans to Tourist Resort Operators several ways. It has been said, and I should like to emphasize it, that we try to be merely carbon copies in too many ways of the United States. Take, for example, in the matter of food served. There is perhaps no finer dish in the world than a freshly boiled lobster recently taken from the sea off St. Andrew's or somewhere else in the east, or perhaps steamed clams or Atlantic salmon. But what do we see served so frequently in many Canadian restaurants? Southern fried chicken! I do not believe that visitors from the United States have come to Canada to enjoy southern fried chicken. I feel they would enjoy much more a St. Andrew's lobster or Atlantic salmon or some other fine Canadian dish. I could continue at some length but I need only say that all of us have had the unfortunate experience of eating in restaurants where the food has been poorly prepared and served although in all fairness I must say that many of our eating establishments are adequate.

As I have driven about the country-and in the last few years I have seen much of Canada-I have been amazed at the number of hotels and motels that are located right beside the road. Perhaps here in Ottawa where there are several fine motels that is necessary but when I go to bed at night I like to be located some distance from the road so my sleep is not disturbed by traffic and street noise. Many people do not seem to give any thought to the location of the tourist accommodation they construct. Perhaps the only thought they have is the cheapness of the land. I think a great mistake is made in this respect.

There is another thing about which I should like to speak very briefly. I think we miss the boat again with respect to the service that is provided in so many of the hotels, motels and restaurants in this country that cater to our people. I do not think there is any substitute for courtesy and cleanliness. At the 1957 annual meeting of the Canadian tourist association it was suggested by one of the panelists that there should be a school for those people who are in this type of service and I can quite appreciate that. As a teacher deeply interested for most of my life in education and teaching others certain skills, I think that is an excellent idea. For example, I think waitresses should be taught that it is not necessary to insert the whole thumb into a bowl of soup but only up to the first knuckle, and other things like that. In a more serious vein, I believe there certainly is scope for improvement in this direction. Too many times it seems to me that restaurant operators, motel operators and others seem to get their help from the cheapest possible source. That

Loans to Tourist Resort Operators may be so; I do not know. But I think if more care were exercised in hiring and training staff it might help.

I come now to another point with respect to which many will perhaps disagree. I think one of the curses of travel is that degrading habit known as tipping. I am told that some 100 or so years ago the word "tip" originated when a box was placed in Lloyds restaurant * at the beginning Lloyds was a coffee house before it became a great insurance firm- with the words "to insure promptness", and from that the word "T-I-P" evolved. On the other hand I have read that thousands of years ago this same practice was in effect. How many times in our travels, have we received poor service and yet have been expected to tip the person who has performed some service for us for which they have already been paid a salary?

I had occasion a few years ago to travel to Vancouver and to stay for a short time at one of the luxury hotels of the west. I do not do that very often because I never felt I could afford it. But in this particular instance in getting from the train to the hotel and then from the hotel back to the train I ransomed my luggage several times from the young lads who carried it. The president of the Canadian tourist association, W. Gordon Wood, who is also vice-president of sales for T.C.A., had this to say about tipping at the 1957 convention of the association:

Perhaps the time has come for us to consider the establishment of a committee to study the abolition of tipping. We are not saying that this is practical-

I think it is practical.

-or whether it is right or wrong-

Personally I feel it is wrong.

-but we *i know this-

This is the point made by this man who is very conversant with tourist affairs in general.

__that if Canada could announce to the United

States tomorrow that we have abolished all forms of tipping, we believe that we could wipe out our travel deficit.

That deficit, as I said earlier, is now $361 million a year. I believe that people who perform a service, whether as a porter on a railway train or as a waitress in the parliamentary restaurant, should be paid a salary commensurate with the work they do. I do not and never have believed in the practice of tipping because I feel it is degrading.

There is another point I wish to put forward and it is strange it has never been mentioned before. I refer to the handling of United States money in our country. When United States tourists come to the border no attempt is made to change their currency

into Canadian currency. A Canadian or anyone else travelling in France would very soon obtain French francs. A person travelling in England would immediately obtain his pounds, shillings and pence or his "quid" and "bob". But when United States tourists come to this country no such attempt is made.

What do we find? We find that because of economic factors their money is not worth as much as ours. The result is that time after time in our establishments we see arguments going on between some poor harassed cashier and a United States tourist because their dollar is only worth 96 cents. We have all had the experience in the past-I know I can remember it as as a youngster-of going across the border to the United States, having our money thrown back to us and being told that it was no good. Possibly that still happens. I do not know. But I believe it would be a very sensible thing for the Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources, the Department of Citizenship and Immigration or whatever department is concerned, to have at the larger border crossing points at least, the necessary facilities so that as soon as these people have been checked through by customs and immigration officials they can change their money into Canadian money. Then they would have the currency of our country as long as they were here and there would not be these arguments and hard feeling-there is hard feeling when United States tourists find that their money is not worth as much as ours.

Going back to my youth many years ago I can well remember living with a farmer who had a rather good mixed farm. He had done well and I asked him what was the secret of his success. He said, "My boy, on a farm like this the whole year round you have always got to have something to sell." I think that in Canada we have a great deal to sell if we package it properly.

Like other members who have spoken today, and as I will perhaps be the only speaker from the province of New Brunswick, I should like to take a few moments to tell about the beauties of my province and what it has to offer to the visitor. I am sure many hon. members have never been that far east. There is the beauty of the Restigouche, Miramichi and Saint John rivers, perhaps second to none on the whole North American continent, -the tidal bore of the Petitcodiac, the reversing falls on the Saint John river, the only phenomenon of its kind in the world the Magnetic Hill, the beauty of the islands of the bay of Fundy such as Grand Manan and Campobello. In fact, so beautiful is Campo-bello that for much of his life the late President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spent his

summers there and, some say, loved it even more than his own country.

There is the beauty of the historic sites, the land that Cartier first saw in 1534, that was first settled in 1604 and to which the Loyalists came when they emigrated to this country. I could talk for many hours about the beauty of the province from which I come. I simply suggest to you, Mr. Speaker, and to all other members that at the earliest opportunity you come to visit us in New Brunswick. I am sure you will receive a welcome second to none in the whole country.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, notwithstanding what was said by the hon. member for Port Arthur, I feel that the resolution of the hon. member for Parry Sound-Muskoka is not socialism. It is merely justice. If it is implemented, and I am sure it will be at some time by this government in its wisdom, and it possesses a great deal of wisdom, it will be a great boon to this most important phase of the life of our country.

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May 20, 1958

Mr. J. C. MacRae (York-Sunbury):

I should like to ask the Minister of Veterans Affairs the following question. Can the minister inform this house of the effect the forthcoming provincial hospital insurance plans may have on the hospitalization and treatment of veterans and upon the operation of hospitals administered by his department?

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January 8, 1958

Mr. MacRae:

In rising to speak in support of this resolution, Mr. Chairman, I wish to express the gratitude of the people of my constituency for a measure which has been hailed not only in the constituency of York-Sunbury but throughout the whole province of New Brunswick. I have no doubt that when the speech from the throne was read by Her Majesty on October 14 and Beech-wood was mentioned, there were many people listening to whom Beechwood was only a name. There are those who think of Beechwood only as a hydroelectric development on the Saint John river 100 miles or so above the capital city of Fredericton, but Beechwood is a great deal more than that. Beechwood is a symbol, an example of the courageous determination of the people of New Brunswick to improve their lot, to improve their standard of living.

A few days ago I was reading a volume on our Atlantic provinces. The harsh first sentence in the chapter on my province was in these words:

New Brunswick is a poverty-stricken land which occasionally sprouts a millionaire.

Those are the words of the author, Mr. Chairman, not mine. New Brunswick was not always a poverty-stricken land. When New Brunswick joined with Nova Scotia and Upper and Lower Canada to form this great nation, it was anything but poverty-stricken. Its lumber was shipped all over the world. Saint John was the second largest shipbuilding port in the world. It traded heavily with the New England states, the West Indies and Europe. As the result of the federal union we lost the valuable United States trade, trade which was never regained.

[Mr. Stuart (Charlotte) .1

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November 29, 1957

Mr. MacRae:

In rising to speak for the first time in this house, Mr. Chairman, I would first like to pay a tribute to the hon. minister who heads the department and whose estimates we are now considering. The hon. minister is spokesman for the province in which we are now living, but he is also a veteran of distinguished service to his country, firstly as an officer in the New Brunswick fighting 26th battalion during world war I; secondly, he has rendered continuous service between the wars in the militia of this country; thirdly, he served throughout the whole of world war II, and now lastly on account of his record as a member of parliament for 22 years. During this period he has been almost continuously a member of the veterans affairs committee. His record is there and it speaks for itself.

It has been said that the Canadian veterans legislation is the best in the world. I think we all agree with that, Mr. Chairman, and it is a tribute to all of those who have served in the previous parliaments of this country.

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