Paul Raymond MARTINEAU

MARTINEAU, The Hon. Paul Raymond, P.C., K.C.S.G., Q.C., B.A., LL.L.

Personal Data

Progressive Conservative
Pontiac--Témiscamingue (Quebec)
Birth Date
April 10, 1921
Deceased Date
March 19, 2010
crown attorney, lawyer

Parliamentary Career

March 31, 1958 - April 19, 1962
  Pontiac--Témiscamingue (Quebec)
  • Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister (November 18, 1959 - November 17, 1961)
  • Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons (January 18, 1962 - April 19, 1962)
June 18, 1962 - February 6, 1963
  Pontiac--Témiscamingue (Quebec)
  • Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys (August 9, 1962 - April 21, 1963)
April 8, 1963 - September 8, 1965
  Pontiac--Témiscamingue (Quebec)
  • Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys (August 9, 1962 - April 21, 1963)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 442 of 443)

June 26, 1958

Mr. Paul Marlineau (Ponliac-Timiskam-ing):

Mr. Speaker, at the end of yesterday's sitting I was saying that my constituency is extremely rich in mineral resources, and I am now happy to announce to the house that uranium deposits have been discovered quite recently in northern Timiskaming in the Kippewa and Hunter's Point area, and that these deposits, according to experts, bid fair to be among the richest in the land.

I was particularly happy to learn, while listening to the budget speech delivered by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Fleming), that the government intends to take steps to continue and increase the assistance to gold 57071-3-105

The Budget-Mr. Martineau mines. I was all the happier to learn this because in my constituency there is one extremely rich gold mine, the Belleterre mine, which has been in production for close to 20 years. I submit that the government should look after the problems which beset gold producers, not only by continuing to grant subsidies, but by increasing them. That is, of course no permanent solution but to my mind, every time the occasion offers, representations should be made to the American government for an increase in the price of gold. In this connection, I fully agree with my colleague the hon. member for Chapleau (Mr. Martel) who requested the Canadian government to take such steps as are necessary so that the price of that product may be increased. I do not believe it is an exaggeration to state that, at this time, the price of gold should be set at $75 an ounce.

Mr. Speaker, among the budget resolutions, that which refers to public works is particularly noteworthy. To my mind we should not be content with a single huge operation in a single, possibly unexplored, area, but money should be voted towards public works in the populated areas of this country, where there could be unemployment. Such works would be of benefit to localities which need the suggested improvements and would also help to relieve local unemployment. (Text):

I have reviewed some of the problems pertaining to the northern section of my riding, the county of Timiskaming, and I should like to speak briefly now about some of the problems that beset the southern section of the riding, the county of Pontiac. The population of the county of Pontiac is made up principally of farmers, workers in the forest and lumbering industries, and miners. I have dealt with farmers throughout Pontiac county for quite a number of years, and I remember how in the last years of the Liberal regime farmers would come up to me and say, "Well, we are just hanging on. We do not know how long we can still hang on, because the situation is bad and is getting worse."

The present government has been in power for approximately one year but the farmers I see today, who are engaged in dairy farming and mixed farming, tell me they are well satisfied with the measures adopted so far by the government. They say these measures have contributed in a real sense to the betterment of their condition, and they tell me that all we have to do is to continue

The Budget-Mr. Martineau in that vein and the farming section of our population will certainly always be grateful to the government.

Speaking about improvement in the lot of the farmers, I think of the many "gloom doomers" on the other side of the house-

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June 26, 1958

Mr. Martineau:

-who have been talking about a slump, about a recession, and about the so-called horrible calamities that have beset the country since, due to unfortunate circumstances, they are no longer the leaders of the country. I really think their zeal is most touching but it is certainly not convincing, especially if one analyses their statements in the light of the plight of the farmers, particularly small farmers such as we have in my riding, who as a class were really completely neglected under the former administration.

In the county of Pontiac we have some very good fairs which are organized each year by the farmers. I believe the outstanding one among them is the Shawville fair, an event which has taken place every year for over 100 years. The farmers of the Shawville area and Pontiac county generally are indeed very pleased to know that the Minister of Agriculture will be able to open the fair in September. Tomorrow another agricultural fair is opening at Quyon, and it will last a couple of days. I take this occasion to invite any of my colleagues who have a bit of time on their hands or who would like a restful change to drive the 30-odd scenic miles up to Pontiac county and visit that fair. I am quite sure they will find it most enjoyable. A little later the Chapeau fair will be held, also one of the outstanding agricultural events of our county.

I am pleased to say that some of the exhibits at these fairs have won wide acclaim and first prizes at some of our national fairs, such as the Royal winter fair. The government has given generous grants to some of these fairs, but I suggest that wherever possible the grants should be increased. It is money that is certainly well spent, and it goes far to promote interest in agricultural events.

As in the county of Timiskaming so in the county of Pontiac there is a crying need for a public investment program. This need is all the more crying in that the county was neglected for a great number of years. There are urgent public works projects that should be initiated and soon. Some of them, such as the construction of the new Bryson bridge, are long overdue. There is a very dangerous situation for the users of that bridge, and I suggest that all measures that may be taken

should now be taken without delay to see that this much needed bridge is constructed, as the present structure has proved completely inadequate to carry the traffic which has to go over it.

Other bridges are also needed in the county. I shall mention only two. A bridge is needed from Quyon to Fitzroy Harbour and a new bridge is needed at Chapeau, Quebec. So far as the Quyon bridge is concerned, I believe that such a project could be incorporated into the national capital plan. It was with great gratification that I learned that the government had decided to acquire the green belt on the outskirts of Ottawa. While on that subject, I think Gatineau park, some of which lies within my constituency, should be enlarged. The Quyon bridge could probably then be incorporated in the larger national capital area.

The development of the national capital is perhaps not something for the immediate future, but I believe that in the course of the next decade the city of Ottawa is slated to become one of the great capitals of the world.

I remember coming to Ottawa as a student in the pre-war years, perhaps 20 years ago, and at that time Ottawa was still a kind of village. It may have been a big village but it was still a village, and I am just amazed at the progress which has taken place here during the last 10 years. Ottawa is truly becoming one of the great cities of this country and if we consider the development which has taken place in just one decade-having in mind that 10 years is a very small period of time in the life of a city and still less in the life of a country-we can surely envisage in the not too distant future a city of surpassing beauty on the banks of the Ottawa river.

It therefore behooves the government to look toward those days. I know steps have been taken, but I think the field of activity and progress should be widened so that Ottawa will acquire a green belt and there will be set aside large areas as national park lands in order to complete the national capital program.

It is in this larger area which I have in mind that I believe my own constituency of Pontiac-Timiskaming can play its part because, judging from the opinions of the many tourists who visit us each year, my constituency is one of the beauty spots of Canada. Yet at the present time it lacks tourist accommodation, and I think some consideration should be given by the government with respect to aid to the operators of tourist resorts. The government has already announced that it will bring forward legislation to help small businessmen. I believe

the tourist resort operators should be included in that group, and that their needs should be considered since they do bring considerable sums of money into Canada. In this way my county will have an opportunity to become outstanding, because from the point of view of natural beauty it has all that it takes to become a great tourist attraction.

I have examined the criticisms of the budget in the speeches of hon. members, most of which I actually heard delivered in the house. All I can see in these criticisms is a lot of contradictions, whining and groaning. The critics have singled out the huge deficit, as they call it, and have also talked about unemployment. I do not see why hon. members of the opposition should be particularly alarmed about deficit financing; as a matter of fact practically every minister of finance during the long Liberal regime spoke about cyclical budgetting. They stated that in times of prosperity one had to accumulate a surplus, and that when there was a pause one should not hesitate to have a deficit as a sort of pump primer to the economic wheel. Why should they now deny what they previously accepted as a sacred economic principle? They say there is now a pause, they say there is a recession, and they apply all their energies to exaggerating that condition.

There is, as the Minister of Finance has said, a slackening in the expansion of our economic activity, but there is no desperate crisis such as the members of the opposition would have us believe. In that connection I can truthfully say that in the county of Pontiac there is this year more employment than for a long time, and from reports in the newspapers during the last few days it would seem to me that the members of the opposition have lost 150,000 reasons for their whining and groaning.

I say this because, as everyone knows, unemployment has dropped in one month by 150,000, and that is the greatest drop ever known in a single month. Therefore the reasons for opposition criticisms of the budget are fast disappearing and when unemployment no longer presents a formidable problem I just wonder what the opposition will have to talk about.

In conclusion I would like to renew my congratulations to the Minister of Finance. He understands the economic problems of our country and has taken steps to resolve them. I am sure the methods he has used, some of which are already in effect and have brought results, will solve our economic difficulties, and they do present a logical answer to those difficulties. For these reasons I submit that the subamendment 57071-3-1051

The Budget-Mr. Meunier and the amendment should be defeated, and that the resolution of the minister should be supported by this house.


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June 25, 1958

Mr. Martineau:

I move the adjournment of the debate, Mr. Speaker.


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June 25, 1958

Mr. Paul Martineau (Ponliac-Timiskaming):

Mr. Speaker, my first remarks will be directed to congratulating the Minister of Finance (Mr. Fleming) who has managed to present in clear, precise and concise form the fiscal policy of the government and who has also managed to frame appropriate measures to solve the serious problems of the day.

I have noticed that when it came time for them to criticize the budget certain members of the opposition were so short of ideas, that the better part of their speeches was given over to accusing government members of having nothing to say about the budget except to congratulate the Minister of Finance.

Well, Mr. Speaker, I feel that the budget speech of the minister is certainly worthy of the tradition of the great ministers of finance who have occupied that post in this house. As far as we are concerned, we have no hesitation whatever not only in congratulating him at this time, but in renewing those congratulations at every possible opportunity.


The Budget-Mr. Martineau

One innovation which was certainly most welcomed by many hon. members and more particularly by all members from the province of Quebec was the presentation of some parts of the budget speech in French by the Minister of Finance. The minister made his remarks in flawless French, and I commend him not only on my behalf but on behalf of all my colleagues of the province of Quebec.

Mr. Speaker, it is also said that that budget is a blue budget. Personally, I have no prejudice against this colour because as the hon. member for York-Humber (Miss Aitken) so aptly put it, it is a colour which reminds us of heaven. Indeed, it is appreciated not only on this side of the house but throughout our country, as shown by the results of the last election.

I should like to outline how the achievements of this government and the budget proposals are particularly adapted to the constituency I have the honour to represent in this house.

In fact, the riding of Pontiac-Timiskaming is not only a constituency, it is almost an empire. Its area is as great as that of the province of Nova Scotia and about two-thirds of the area of old Scotland. It is a very diversified district from the point of view not only of its landscapes but also of its population. Its limits are within a few short miles of the national capital; in fact, parts of the riding are within the federal district. I am particularly glad to see that the government has decided to introduce a new Federal District Commission Act during this session and I hope that the limits of the national capital will thus be enlarged to open to the population of the capital and to its numerous visitors an area endowed with a great panoramic beauty, the constituency of Pontiac.

Extending along the shores of the Ottawa river, the limits of my constituency go up to the very head of the Ottawa river, in the area of the great lake Victoria. Leaving Pontiac and going west, we come to the riding of Timiskaming which is not as old as Pontiac but whose beginning goes back more than a century.

The settlers who ventured hundreds of miles in virgin forest to settle on the shores of Timiskaming lake, which in Indian language means "deep waters", had a remarkable spirit of adventure and of individualism. It was not because of the stimulus of need that they ventured in areas which were then very wild, but rather because of the appeal of the great adventure, and especially the appeal of new land. Those people settled in the constituency of Timiskaming on the

shores of that lake, close to Fathers' bay, and from there they spread deeper into the surrounding area and opened up a whole constituency made up of several now flourishing parishes. Incidentally, the Fathers' bay district, and particularly the location of the old fort, deserves to be pointed out as an historic site, and the historic sites commission should turn its attention to that area and preserve it for future generations.

This year, the chamber of commerce of Ville-Marie is celebrating the 50th anniversary of its founding. This body initiated the development, not only of Ville-Marie itself, but of all the riding of Timiskaming, and, August 3rd and 4th of this year will be dedicated to the celebration of this truly memorable anniversary in the annals of the riding of Timiskaming.

This riding, which originated in 1885, is the cradle of northwestern Quebec, and I invite all hon. members who would like to take advantage of a holiday, to go and, together with me, I hope, take part in the feasts and celebrations which will take place on this occasion.

Mr. Speaker, as you no doubt realize, by what I have just said, the people of Timiskaming do not expect that the government should support them; they merely ask the authorities to assure them the proper economic climate to develop according to their own standards, and also to share in the prosperity and grandeur of our country. It is precisely what the government has tried to do up to now, and I also believe that the budgetary measures will enhance the progress we now enjoy.

A good part of the people of Timiskaming are farmers, living off the land. I had the opportunity recently of visiting several of those communities, and everywhere I went, the farmers were glad to tell me that things were now turning for the better for them. Things are going better, first because of the enactment of the Agricultural Stabilization Act which gave the farmer a sense of security he had never enjoyed before. Thus, through the legislation announced by the government, he can now expect more generous credit facilities.

I submit that one of the measures most likely to increase the revenue of the farmers -I do not mean that it is perfect, it is only a beginning-is the Agricultural Stabilization Act; it should however include, among other things, pulpwood, which is essentially a normal agricultural product at least in my constituency. So I suggest that the

government should give generous subsidies to farmers who, for instance, have to start undertakings such as cold storage and slaughter houses and also that a system should be adopted to help farmers who, for instance, would need subsidies to purchase seeds and other things of this kind.

The Minister of Finance (Mr. Fleming) said that one of the ways to restore prosperity in our country was to extend the period of social benefits.

The people were very gratified by the increase of old age pensions.

I suggest that it would be advisable to consider raising family allowances. Surely that is also one way of increasing the social capital in circulation and the consumer's purchasing power. That is why I am happy to join with the numerous hon. members who have requested early implementation of legislation designed to increase family allowances instituted in 1944 and which have not been increased at that time, save by the token sum of $1, last year.

25, 1958

The Budget-Mr. Martineau

Mr. Speaker, in the constituency of Timis-kaming, we have huge resources which have hardly been tapped. One of the most attractive planks in the Conservative platform is its development program for our natural resources. The constituency of Timiskaming, and the constituency of Pontiac also, are rich in mineral resources of all kinds.

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June 24, 1958

Mr. Paul Mariineau (Poniiac-Timiskaming):

Mr. Speaker, like the hon. member who has preceded me, the member for Parry Sound-Muskoka (Mr. Aiken), I have had some experience in dealing with juvenile delinquents in my capacity as crown attorney for the county of Pontiac, which position I held for eight years. As crown attorney, juvenile delinquents were a constant problem and decisions had to be reached concerning those persons. I find that among police officials there is always-and rightly so-a very great reluctance to initiate any kind of proceeding against a juvenile. By that I mean should a complaint be received against a juvenile and that juvenile had never been the object of a complaint before, the police will in most instances, unless the charge is extremely serious, go to the home of the young person involved and question him and his parents.

If the offence is not serious, and if there seems to be satisfactory evidence that such an offence will not be committed again, then the police officer, the social welfare officer or the juvenile delinquent's court officer will simply shelve the complaint and recommend to the parents that closer supervision be kept of the youngster concerned and also the youngster himself in most instances will be reprimanded. Unless the youngster has a long background of delinquent tendencies he will have learned his lesson and never again will he be the object of police investigation.

In other cases the police must proceed to lodge a complaint under the Juvenile Delinquents Act, or even under the Criminal Code, if the offence is more serious. There are two types of juveniles who appear before the courts and they may perhaps be classified in three broad categories. The first are offences of violence, 1 might say, such as assaults, lights, damage to property. The second category is the juvenile who indulges in petty thievery, and the third type deals mostly with delinquents who have been guilty of some sexual perversion.

In the first type of delinquent we find more or less a complex of violence; it is a matter of a young bully who wishes to impose his will by violence upon other youngsters or even in rising against established order and destroying property.

In the case of petty thieves, they are mostly drawn from a background of underprivileged families whose parents may be drunkards or may have separated and who have domestic difficulties and who have developed a resentment against society. They have come to the point where they cannot distinguish between right and wrong, in that they believe that they should have the same share of the good things which their school companions and others enjoy.

The third type, the sexual pervert, develops from some type of maladjustment which cannot be clearly defined and it is a matter that should be referred for proper psychiatric treatment.

When these youngsters, most of whom are simply misguided, appear before a juvenile court judge and the other court officials, they are always, at least in my experience, treated with the greatest consideration. First of all, the law provides that the hearings shall always be secret and in chambers. The youngsters are accompanied by their parents, by their guardians or by other social workers. It is not a court at all in any traditional sense of the word; rather it is simply a heart to heart talk between the judge, who adopts a very fatherly attitude, and the youngster who has diverted from the straight and narrow path. Most of those youngsters appear

Juvenile Delinquents Act before the courts very bewildered and a few questions will soon dissipate the camouflage of self-assurance which they may have and they will generally answer docilely the questions that are put to them by the judge and the judge will truly discover what is the thing that has led them astray. In most instances a few words by the judge, the placing of the youngster on probation for a definite period, either to his own parents, to a court official, or even to a police officer, with definite dates upon which the youngster should report, have the desired effect of changing the youngster's attitude and preventing perhaps the criminal tendencies, which are more or less inherent in all people, from being developed and those youngsters do become very good citizens later on.

I am absolutely in accord with the spirit of the bill presented this afternoon. I approve it, mostly for the same reasons that have been expressed by the previous speaker. There is no doubt at all that even if the greatest precaution is taken to assure that the court records do not fall into hands that should not have them, they will do so and as a matter of fact they often do, and they may be used in much later years, perhaps 10 years or even 20 years later, by unscrupulous blackmailers or other persons against the youngsters who for many years have become respectable citizens of the community.

Even under the present law, although records are secret, although none of the names in the proceedings may be divulged, the record of a juvenile may be used later if that same person, now grown to adulthood, is again before the courts. I believe that is most iniquitous, because surely the youngster when he was a juvenile could not distinguish between right and wrong to the extent that he could do it later when he is no longer in that category and yet, despite that, in certain instances those records are used.

More important perhaps than any other reason is the fact that these records may be destroyed, after five years, as suggested by the bill, gives to the former juvenile a feeling of absolute security and that feeling of security is most necessary to complete his rehabilitation.

For all these reasons I endorse the bill. I believe it is another step forward in the rehabilitation of juveniles and it serves a very useful purpose.

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