Well, I was going to use a strong word but I will hold it back; I will not use the western term I might use to describe what they have done to the live stock industry. They are to blame for the present situation and no one else. They have
killed the industry, and that is why the cars are empty. One freight traffic manager told me that they lost money on live stock. I asked him in what way and he said it was because they had to haul empty cars back. I can remember that in the old days every other siding between here and Winnipeg had a stock train on it. I can remember when hundreds of thousands of dollars went back into that western country. But you go west to-day and look at the sidings and you will see nothing but empty stock cars. It is about time the railways recognized the benefits of the live stock industry to traffic and assisted that industry by doing something in regard to the stop-over charge and also by providing proper accommodation. Let the railways put the rates back where they were. I had the honour of Shipping cattle on the first train that left Winnipeg, but to-day the rates are twenty per cent higher than they were at that time. They say that labour is to blame; I say it is not. You have a crew of five on the train and they are drawing seventy cars. Locomotives are pulling as high as seventy cars of live stock out of Winnipeg with a crew of only five, and though it is true that slightly more is paid in wages we must consider the tonnage that is hauled. We cannot therefore place the responsibility on labour; that excuse will not hold. The fault is with the shortsighted policy of those who sit in the offices in Montreal. They are the ones that dictate the policy which has put the cattle men out of business-I mean the legitimate cattle men and not those gentlemen who become cattle men over night. These men who buy a truck and go into the cattle business are pretty well known in the neighbourhood, and they get hold of the farmer's cattle and undertake to sell them though they do not know the first thing about the business. They are marks for the men in the stock yards who buy for the packers. It makes me wonder when I stand and1 look at the trucks going to the western cattle markets. I was told that 3,600 cars of cattle were moved to the Toronto stock yards by truck. This I admit is the line of least resistance, because it is easier for the farmer to load his cattle on the truck than to drive them to the station, there being so many motor cars on the highway. It is difficult to drive a herd of cattle, but I notice now that they have done away with that menace. Those legislators in Winnipeg, the solons who make the laws there, are permitting the cattle to run on the highways, endangering the lives of people, so that there is not so much danger now in driving a
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herd of cattle when cattle are allowed to run free on the highways in Manitoba. Motorists are more careful.
As to partitions, I quite agree with the hon. member for Southeast Grey. I think they should provide partitions so that they might take mixed shipments. I speak from experience of many years and I think I should know something of what I am talking about. I am out of the business now so that I have no axe to grind, and I make this statement only in the interests of the legitimate live stock dealers, the few who are left in the country. I say that the only method which will make for success in the cattle industry is the old method; let us have the old time cattle dealer and the old time fairs at country points. In the town of Birtle, Manitoba, they held a fair on one occasion, and they had 338 head of cattle which were sold right in the town at good prices without having to be moved at all. That is the method that should be followed; let the cattle be sold on the farm or to the cattle dealer and brought into market, doing away with the so-called cattle men who have trucks running over the highways and ruining them without contributing to the success of the industry.
Topic: PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM
Subtopic: WORKS, 'UNDERTAKINGS AND GUARANTEE OP RAILWAY EQUIPMENT SECURITIES TO CREATE EMPLOYMENT