Mr. NORMAN JAQUES (Wetaskiwin):

I hold in my hand, Mr. Speaker, a cutting from the Vancouver Sun of June 21, it being a statement by Dillon O'Leary, dated Ottawa, June 21, and headed: "Maelnnis calls Jaques liar, no reprimand". This is a misstatement and is a reflection on the chairman of the committee, on the hon. member for Vancouver East (Mr. Maelnnis) and on myself. The hon. member for Vancouver East did say that-a statement I made in the house, that the

C.C.F. supported Zionism, was a lie; but that is quite a different thing from calling me a liar.

I also hold in my hand a cutting from the Canadian Jewish Chronicle of May 21, 1948, headed "Israel rally at Montreal supports Zionist policies and its armed forces. Messages of greetings and support were received from individuals and organizations including the provincial executive of the C.C.F. party". In the light of this evidence, will Mr. O'Leary correct his misstaitement?

Mr. JAQUES:

I should like to support the remarks of the previous speakers with respect to this clause. I can assure the minister I have had a number of letters from farmer constituents of mine; and while no one likes to pay taxes, these letters express far greater objection to the nature of the form they have to fill out than to the tax itself. It is perfectly true that it has created a great- deal of ill-feeling. We want to avoid ill-feeling where we can; but I can assure the minister that this feeling is widespread among farmers in the west, including those in my own riding. As I say, I have had many letters dealing with this matter.

Mr. JAQUES:

I am glad to be able to agree with my hon. friend to my right. I think he lias put his finger on my objection in this matter. We have no control over this. We are in the dark about it; I am, at any rate. I think my hon. friend has the same idea that I have, that we are paying this money and have no control over it. It is not so much the way in which the money is spent, as tire use to which it is put; that is to say, the policy which is behind the whole idea of UNESCO. I think the committee should have more to say about the matter than it has had. The matter is of vital importance, of greater importance than meets the eye, I thank my hon. friend for the support he has given me.

item agreed to.

Mr. JAQUES:

I like the taste of it.

Mr. JAQUES:

May I revert to item 65? I notice an increase of nearly 500 per cent in the estimate. I wonder why the committee passes this very important item without one attempt to discuss it. I should like to know just what is meant by "education". Am I to take it that our own educational institutions are incapable of educating Canadian people in scientific and cultural organization? Is it education, or is it pure propaganda? Is the idea-and this is the idea that I have, and I have spoken on it before-to impose an international culture and education to replace our native culture and our native ideas? Since there is an increase of nearly 500 per cent in the item, the committee certainly should take

Supply-Agriculture

more notice of it than simply to say "carried", even if it is at the end of the session. I do not like many of the men at the head of UNESCO. I do not like their ideas, and I do not like what can I understand to be their objective; that is, to impose international culture on all native culture. I should like to know how far this is education and how far it is propaganda.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: I think the hon. member will have to attend some of their meetings to form his own opinion as to what they do. This is a contribution assessed against Canada as a member of UNESCO under a constitution that was approved by the Canadian, government. It appears that there is a substantial increase in the amount here, but it is only in appearance. For 1947 the total was S311,640 United States funds, but only a portion of that is shown here. The larger portion came out of an estimate of the previous fiscal year which was of the same calendar year, but this year the whole assessment is provided in this one vote.

With respect to the activities of UNESCO, one hon. member feels that we are not giving them sufficient encouragement. The main accomplishment to date has been the initiation of campaigns in various countries for funds for educational, scientific and cultural reconstruction in the war devastated countries.

UNESCO has established pilot projects in Haiti, China. British East Africa and Peru to test techniques witih respect to fundamental education. It has also made contributions to other educational and cultural movements for the assistance of the war devastated countries.

So far, to answer the hon. member, there would appear to be such obstacles in the way of intellectual co-operation that we have felt it was preferable to go rather slowly, and we think the objects of this organization require to be based upon a feeling of security, stability and world peace in order to be productive of beneficial and long-term results.