Mr. JOHN FLAWS REID (Mackenzie):
I congratulate the hon. member for Maison-neuve (Mr. Lemieux) on the very able manner in which he has held the attention of this House for nearly two hours and three-quarters. I shall not inflict myself upon the House for that length of time. I am sorry the hon. member cannot swallow the organized farmers' platform, but I suppose he is not used to taking pills of that kind unless they are sugar-coated with politics. I understand that my hon. friends came into power in 1896 on a platform as radical in many lines as the present farmers' platform, and it was practically forgotten for fifteen years by my hon. friend and his associates. Now I want to say as a farmer from the prairies that the farmers of the West-I can speak for them-are not as easily caught to-day as they were in 1896; and if my good friend and his associates want to get the farmers' support they will
have to undertake, not as a pre-election promise, but at once, a thorough housecleaning on their side of the House, so that they may say with some degree of truth that they are Liberals indeed.
I wish in passing, Mr. 'Speaker, to refer to some of the statements made by the gallant colonel who represents the constituency of North Simcoe (Mr. Currie). I shall borrow a phrase for the time being from the hon. member for Springfield (Mr. Richardson). I am of the opinion that we have two prophets in this House. At all events I am sure we have at least one, representing the constituency of North Simcoe. Unfortunately he is a prophet who predicts destruction. He tells us of the great calamities that will befall 'Canada if the tariff is interfered with; and that reminds me, of a statement that was made in the city of Winnipeg some years ago by a secretary of the Canadian Manufacturers' Association, when he said that the Manufacturers' Association of Canada was so strongly organized that, if they saw fit, they could cause the grass to grow on the streets of any town or city in the Dominion of Canada. 'Perhaps my friend from Sim-coe is one of that number. He made the statement in regard to the embargo on wheat, endeavouring to make us believe that it was the American Government that _ put on that embargo. If il am correct- and I believe I am-the embargo was put on by the Government of Canada -at the request of the British Government in order that the foodstuffs of Canada might be preserved for Great Britain and her Allies; and even if the embargo had been imposed by the American Government conditions would not compare at all with those of normal times. Then he states that there was a duty on foodstuffs in Canada of 271 per cent, but he failed to tell us how this would enable the labourers or mechanics working in factories in the cities to obtain their foodstuffs cheaper. I think he made a mistake when he quoted that figure of 27J per cent as the average duty on foodstuffs. Next, in dealing with the land policy of the Government he gave some advice as to what the Government should do in regard to the returned soldiers. He said in effect that the Government should give to the soldiers land on the same terms as given to the ISouth African veterans, implying I presume, that they should be issued scrip. Now any one who has been in the West for any length of time knows that very few soldiers who received scrip settled on the land. It was merely a bonanza for the speculators, who bought the scrip at a
trifling figure; and as a result many of the scrip lands to-day lie unotcupied. But while the gallant Colonel'(Mr. Currie) who has had the honour to represent North Sirncoe would like the Government to do well by the returned soldier, I would suggest to him one way in which he might very materially help those returned men who desire to go on the land. I presume he is a member of the Canadian Manufacturers' Association. Might he not persuade the association at least to give our soldiers who go on the land their implements duty free? That would be a considerable help to those men. The hon. member launched an attack on Mr. H. W. Wood of Alberta, President of the Canadian Council of Agriculture, a man who has been re-elected to that position by acclamation for two or three years. I have known the gentleman myself for a number of years and can say most emphatically that he has a character at which no one can point a finger; and beforeany hon. member in this House
makes any charge against him, he should at least be armed with the proof; and 1 hope that before very long Mr. H. W. Wood will request the hon. member for Sirncoe to prove his words. The hon. member tells us that a concern with which he is connected successfully competed in the foreign market to the tune of $9,000,000. Well, I am glad to know that, Mr. Speaker. The western farmers are glad to know that the Canadian manufacturers are able to compete in the foreign market against any manufacturer in the world, and if they can compete in the foreign market thousands of miles away from home, the query is why can they not compete right at home? He says-in order to scare us, I suppose-that the Canadian manufacturers are commencing to build factories in the United States because there is a fear of the tariff being interfered with. That may be so. I do not doubt the words of any hon. member of this House, but I would like to have the proof of that assertion; and if the manufacturers are doing that, the remedy is quite simple-lower the tariff to the same level as the American tariff, and then our Canadian manufacturers will have access to a field where there are one hundred millions of people, while the American manufacturers will have access to eight millions. I think that the advantages are on the side of the Canadian manufacturers, if they could see it. The hon. member for Brantford (Mr. Cockshutt) says they cannot see it-but there are none so
blind as those who will not see. Then the hon. member goes on to say that the farmers of the West are Bolshevists, that they are stirring up strife. Shortly after that, however, he evidently forgets himself, for he says that the farmers in the West mostly all came from Ontario. Now, if his first statement is correct, that the farmers of the West are mostly Bolshevists, then good old Ontario must be a cradle of Bolshevism. The hon. member says he became a convert to high protection when he sat at the feet of the late Sir John A. Macdonald. I am not at all surprised that the hon. member for North Sirncoe became a convert to high protection when he had the great privilege of sitting at the feet of such an illustrious leader; but I am convinced of this that when the late Sir John A. Macdonald was buried, my hon. friend from North Sirncoe buried his intellect in that grave and that he had nothing more to learn in connection with tariff. Another of his prophesies is this: he says that if anything is done to the tariff there will be a state funeral. I understand that the hon. member for North Sirncoe was one of the foremost men-he was indeed a very prominent man-at a banquet in the city of Toronto where seven of the Ginger group were present. Now, Mr. Speaker, he threatens there is going to be a state funeral if the tariff is disturbed, and, Sir, I am of the opinion that the funeral he refers to will be the funeral of the Ginger Group which he represents. I am of the opinion that the Canadian manufacturers represent the situation for trade in a cartoon which appeared in the Grain Growers' Guide about two months ago. This is a farm scene, Mr. Speaker, and you will pardon me for citing it here. The cartoon pictured a calf about two years old and the farmer trying to wean it away from the cow. It was nip and tuck which
one would win-the farmer or the calf. It is my opinion that the longer we give high protection to our Canadian manufacturers, the longer will they want it to be maintained.
Mr.' McMASTER: Hear, hear.
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