I cannot hear the hon. member. It is a shame that when the public works department do a job for any other department, it is not charged up to the department which receives the service. If that were done we could find out how much the Post Office Department makes. As I stated before, they tell you they make so many millions a year, but so many items are not charged against them that at the end of the year they do not know whether they make or lose. That is no way for any department to be run, and that kind of thing goes on because the public works department has no proper accounting system and does not know what it is doing. It is not a good method of administration; the whole thing should be changed so that we may know exactly what each department is losing or making. At any rate that is my view of the matter from a business point of view. There is not a bit of excuse for the Minister of Public Works, because he is just as smooth as anybody else and he can rise in his place and make excuses all the time for what he is doing; but when he tells you that if the post office makes a demand for a building he must consent to it, he knows quite well that he can refuse to construct a building which is larger than is required, or he can tell the department, "You do not need a building at all." That is what he
should be prepared to say if necessary, and if he has not that power he should not be public works minister at all. I hope the government will show some common sense and try to administer the affairs of the nation as a private firm administers its own business. We can all realize that any company which ran its business in the way that this government administers the business of this country would go bankrupt in no time, because its present methods are nothing but a waste of money in order to please this, that or the other fellow who wants a contract or something of the kind.
I hate to repeat what I have said; but as the hon. member for Davenport pointed out, this heating system is just one indication of the lack of decent, good judgment. In the city of Toronto all these buildings are centrally heated; The Royal York and station "A" are heated by the one system, the same as are the parliament buildings and the colleges. Why could not all the buildings- the administrative blocks, the justice building and the new supreme court building-be heated by the same system so that a great deal of money would be saved? Economy everywhere should be our watchword. We must do everything we can to save money in the interests of Canada and of the common people. Our debts are growing; our taxpayers are getting harder up, and the time is coming when the whole thing will stop, because this country's obligations cannot be carried much longer by only eleven million people. They are all bankrupt even though they will not admit it.
Topic: DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS