Mr. W. M. MARTIN.
I have before me the report of the Department of Trade and Commerce, and I say that the figures I have given are absolutely correct. The figures given by the hon. member for North Toronto do not take into consideration goods that have been placed on the free list, and I say that to make a fair statement of the reduction in the tariff you must take into consideration non-dutiable as well as dutiable goods. On this basis, as I have said, the reduction is almost 3 per cent. This may seem a small reduction, but the amount saved to the people of the country up to and including 1907-I have not the figures for the last two years-was in excess of $50,000,000.
The hon. member for North Toronto also travelled through the west and went over some of the railways in that country. He calls a part of the western country the 'double-track' country'. He says that you can sit at your car window and drop a pea on the track of some competing railway. There are only one or two places that I known of in the western country where there are what may be called parallel railways. Of course, railways may be parallel if one hundred miles apart. But the impression that these hon membes try to convey is that the two railways are not serving different parts of the country. If we consider the country between Winnipeg and Edmonton and take the main lines of the Grand Trunk Pacific and the Canadian Pacific, there is not a place where you can say the railways are parallel. It is true that the two lines converge at Portage la Prairie, but it is necessary that they should converge at competing points. They converge again at Saskatoon. And it is true that for some distance west of Saskatoon they run close together. But there is this fact to be remembered that the Grand Trunk Pacific had completed their survey and commenced construction before the Canadian Pacific Railway got there. West of Edmonton again, the Canadian Northern and the Grand Trunk Pacific run close together. But that is made necessary not only by the conformation of the country but by the fact that they both use the Aellowhead Pass to get through the mountains.
Topic: WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET DEBATE.
Subtopic: EXPORTS OF SHEEP FROM CANADA.