That is quite the same thing. The hon. member states that the grants are
insufficient. I speak as one coming from the drought area of Manitoba, where in every year for the past while in order to carry on we have had to get grants from the federal treasury. While within the past few months I have not received a statement from the Minister of Finance, so far as the drought stricken area of Manitoba is concerned, I will say that that area has never to my knowledge requested money by way of advances from the federal government for these purposes which has been refused.
It is true that there are many who complain; it is true, also, that there are many who think the relief they are receiving is not sufficient, and there are those who are very happy to go around the country and state that the federal government is to blame. May I at this time mention something which in my own constituency I have had to point out thousands of times. The matter of administration of relief is entirely within the hands of the municipalities and the provinces. The amount of feed or the amount of relief of any kind which a man may receive is entirely in the discretion of the municipality in which he lives. They give him what relief they like; they have sole authority. The question of the money available is one which is arrived at through the municipality requesting the province for advances, and the province, in turn, requesting advances from the federal government. May I say that so far as the area with which I am connected is concerned, those advances have never been refused.
The hon. member for North Winnipeg states that the advances made by the federal government are equivalent only to 25 per cent of the total amount of relief. Again speaking only for my own area may I say, without making any mathematical calculation, that the advances are at least 75 per cent of the amount expended. This condition is due to the fact, first, that you have the direct advance made by the federal government, following which we have the federal government loaning one-third to the province, so that the province may pay its share of direct relief. Then, following that we have the federal government loaning to the province the remaining third, which in turn is handed on to the municipalities for purposes of covering the share payable by those municipalities.
In effect the federal government is, first, paying one-third outright, and then loaning the other two-thirds to the provinces for the purpose of paying the remainder of the relief moneys. The province, in turn, hands on one-half of the two-thirds to the municipality, and
in consequence the federal government assumes the responsibility for the whole 100 per cent. It pays one-third direct; it loans the other two-thirds,-and if you think the federal government will ever get that two-thirds back I am not in agreement with you.
Topic: UNEMPLOYMENT AND FARM RELIEF
Subtopic: FURTHER PROVISION FOR CARRYING OUT RELIEF