Alonzo Bowen HYNDMAN

HYNDMAN, Alonzo Bowen, M.D., C.M.

Personal Data

National Government
Carleton (Ontario)
Birth Date
July 28, 1890
Deceased Date
April 9, 1940

Parliamentary Career

October 14, 1935 - January 25, 1940
  Carleton (Ontario)
March 26, 1940 - April 9, 1940
  Carleton (Ontario)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 20 of 20)

May 11, 1936


That is right; we have the farmer who is shipping the cow's milk to the cheese factory. We also have the farmer who has no dairy cattle but who buys cattle in the spring and sells them in the fall or buys in the fall and sells in the spring, using in that way the feed he grows on his farm. I want to point out to hon. members, if they do not know already, although they ought to know-there are members here representing rural constituencies who have never said anything on behalf of the farmers in their constituencies-I want to point out what these farmers have been going through. First I shall take the dairy farmer shipping milk to the dairies, and I want it clearly understood that I have not picked out the worst case I could find. This farmer is one of what I would call the most prosperous farmers in Carleton county. He is one of the biggest shippers of milk to the dairies in

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camps? He says they will be absorbed on the Canadian National railway and the Canadian Pacific railway. I noticed an item in the press the other day to the effect that the Canadian Pacific Railway Company expects to start to pay a dividend soon, and so I imagine that railway will be able to absorb some of these workers who are on relief, but I cannot see how the Canadian National can absorb them, because it is going behind every year. As I said a moment ago, Mr. Speaker, I think those who have been struggling on by their own efforts and have never gone on relief should receive first consideration.

Another thing I should like to see done to relieve the unemployment situation is the introduction of a shorter working day and a shorter working week. If we shorten both the day and the week, we should be able to absorb more of those who are on relief.

Fair wages is another thing that I should like to see firmly established. I have already mentioned the restoration of the five per cent cut for civil servants receiving up to $3,000 a year.

There is one bill which, if it is ever brought before the house, I shall certainly support. We know of course that a number of bills that are placed on the order paper are withdrawn, perhaps because pressure is brought to bear; but one bill which I hope will come before the house, and which I shall support, is that providing for pensions for those over sixty years of age.

I do not want, sir, to get in wrong with the ladies, but it seems to me we should employ the heads of families, the man power of the country, instead of women who have no dependents. We have men holding diown good positions in the government, drawing large salaries, whose daughters are also employed in the government as stenographers or in other capacities. That is not fair; it is not giving a fair chance to others. I would like to see a little discrimination shown in that regard; employment such as that of a stenographer should be given to those who are responsible for the support of dependents at home.

I have already mentioned the condition of the farmers, the plight they are in, and hon. gentlemen have a perfect right to ask me: What do you suggest should be done? As I said before, the eastern farmer has received no help whatsoever other than the bonus on cheese last fall. I regret very much that the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Gardiner) could not see his way clear to continuing that bonus, because it was a boon to the dairy in-

dustry in the province of Ontario. I should like to see that bonus of at least one and a half cents a pound on cheese restored, and continued not only for this year but for a period of from three to five years, in order to give the dairy farmer a chance to get on his feet again.

I should also like to see a moratorium for the next five years on all government farm loan mortgages, federal and provincial. We might as well come to that situation first as last. The farmers of Ontario and Quebec, and of the maritimes too, so far as I know, cannot possibly pay the mortgages on their farms at the present time. You may increase your trade as much as you like, but the farmers are not going to be able to pay off their mortgages. They are not trying, I know farmers in my district who have government loan mortgages on their farms, and they are sitting back in their seats and saying that they are not going to pay anyway; that you cannot collect anything; that it is a government mortgage. They run up a store bill and won't pay it; they run up a doctor's bill and won't pay the doctor, and the consequence is that we are all suffering. But if we could tell the farmer that he is free for the next three or five years from any payment of interest or principal on his mortgage, thus giving him a chance to get back on his feet and to start in where he left off, it would be a great help to the farmers. I repeat that I would like to see the bonus of one and a half cents a pound on cheese continued for five years.

I have made a statement in the house this afternoon as to the help the western farmers have received, and I think I should be prepared to back it up. I think I can do so, Mr. Speaker. I have gone over the main estimates for 1936-37 and the supplementary estimates, and I have checked up on what was paid out to agriculture last year. I find that to agriculture last year the government paid out $25,181,697.87, and of that large amount $17,247,449.38 went to the western provinces, the rest of the dominion receiving only $7,934,248.49. That is what I mean when I say that the western farmer has been getting everything from this government while the Ontario farmer has been getting nothing.

There is another interesting item here that I should like to present to the house, one dealing with the amounts spent on the different departments. I have mentioned what has been spent on agriculture, and I may say that that money has been well spent. In fact, I should like to see more spent on that industry, even though it goes to the western farmer. But there are other departments of

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government upon which less should be spent. I refer particularly to the Department of National Defence. I eannot understand why we should spend money on this department because we have our representative at Geneva who makes certain decisions and then we wire him to withdraw them. The expenditures for this department amount to $18,695,857. I have in my constituency one of the finest rifle ranges in the Dominion of Canada, in fact one of the best in the world, the Connaught rifle ranges, and when I speak like this I am really speaking against my own interests because thousands of dollars are spent each year upon those ranges. But what do we find? We find old shots coming down from the west and up from the maritimes to shoot there for two or three weeks in the summer time. Money is spent, but I cannot see that it is doing the country any good. If we are really in favour of peace, I would suggest that we spend less money on national defence and more on agriculture or labour.

We are spending $26,476,000 on labour this year, and this amount should be increased by some of the expenditures now made on national defence. I do not want it thought for one minute that I am talking against pensions for the great war veterans, because I agree entirely with the payment of pensions to those who fought in the great war. In the little town of Carp, which has a population of only 700, in a township with a population of only 1,800, we have erected a memorial to the eighteen - who lost their lives in the great war.

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May 11, 1936

Mr. A. B. HYNDMAN (Carleton):

Mr. Speaker, as a new member, and one who for the first time is addressing this assembly,

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I should like to avail myself of the privilege of congratulating you upon your elevation to the chair as Speaker of this house. I think all hon. members will agree that you are not insensible to the duties of your high office, and I am confident that you will carry out those duties with distinction and honour.

Since some other hon. members have described the constituencies from wihioh they come perhaps it would be well for me to describe my own constituency. I represent one of the oldest constituencies in the dominion, that of Carleton county, which borders on the city of Ottawa. Carleton may not boast the distinction of quintuplets, as the hon. member for Parry Sound (Mr. Slaght) boasted of his constituency, but I venture to say that given time we may have that honour also. I noticed that the hon. member for Peel (Mr. Graydon) said his was one of the best counties in the dominion. I would go one step further and say that my constituency of Carleton is the best constituency in Canada. It has two of the great rivers of the dominion flowing through it, the Ottawa and the Rideau. We have a large hydro-electric power plant, one of the units of the provincial hydro system. We have the central experimental farm; one of the best tubercular hospitals in Ontario is located in this constituency, and last but not least we have the town of Richmond. If the Duke of Richmond had not been bitten by the fox we, as members of this House of Commons, might easily have been meeting in the town of Richmond, as the capital city of the dominion.

My constituency, Mr. Speaker, is made up of urban and rural sections; therefore I am interested in two classes of people, the urban and the rural residents. Those living in the urban sections of the riding are mainly civil servants. Bordering the urban sections there are a number of market gardeners, and then we have the rural sections where the farmers carry on mixed farming. They are not farmers of the type we know in the west; they engage in mixed farming, shipping their milk to the cheese factories and the dairies and buying and selling cattle in the spring and fall of the year. These are the people in whom I am interested, and these are the citizens of whom I wish to speak this afternoon.

First of all, Mr. Speaker, I should like to make a brief reference to the civil servants in my constituency. I want to make the clear statement now that I was absolutely against any cut in the salaries of .civil servants receiving less than S3,000, and I feel that the deduction of five per cent should be restored to civil servants who have been receiving and are now receiving less than that amount. In

connection with salaries of more than $3,000 I believe the cut should continue.

I am not going to make any particular comment with regard to the market gardeners in my constituency. Their position has been described in this house on other occasions, and I do not think it necessary or desirable to make any further comments in that connection. Suffice it to say that I 'believe our markets in the various cities should be retained, to the greatest extent possible, for the market gardeners located in close proximity thereto.

Now we come to the farmers of Carleton county, and what I have to say will apply equally to the farmers of the provinces of Ontario and Quebec and the maritime provinces, those who do not go in for the growing of wheat to any large extent but who really specialize in the raising of dairy cattle and the shipping of milk to cheese factories and dairies. Before proceeding to discuss this matter, however, I should like to compliment the Minister of Finance (Mr. Dunning) on the splendid budget speech he made in the house the other day. I think his speech was very flattering to the late administration; he outlined clearly the finances of the country and told us exactly where we stand as far as the dominion government is concerned. I do not agree with the minister when he says that our national debt amounts to something over three billion dollars; I think it is a great deal more than that, but I shall discuss that point a little later in the course of my remarks.

A moment ago I said that in my opinion the budget speech praised the administration of the Conservative government for the last five years. Several passages from that speech have been quoted during this debate, but I should like to read a few short extracts to support my contention. At page 2362 of Hansard the minister said:

Nevertheless, one cannot view the picture broadly without realizing that improvement

however gradual-is real and steady, and that the general undertone is one of definite strength.

Again on the next page the minister said:

For the first three months of this calendar year, 1936, manufacturing of all kinds showed an average expansion of 8'5 per cent over the first quarter of 1935.

And again:

The forestry group of industries showed marked expansion in 1935.

And again:

One of the most important signs of a more healthy business condition is that industrial and commercial earnings are continuing to show improvement. An analysis of the record of earnings of 241 leading Canadian corpora-

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tions discloses that net earnings are about eight per cent greater for the latest fiscal year than for the previous fiscal period.

In another section he says:

A very interesting feature of our Canadian economy is the remarkable degree of stability in the price level during the last two years.

Then I come to what impressed me as the most striking statement of the minister, the one which interests me most:

Unfortunately, our most important primary industry cannot boast such results. Agriculture has again suffered from climatic hazards, restricted markets and low prices.

Not only are these statements of the Minister of Finance a tribute to the last administration, but I think the minister therein puts his finger on the crux of this whole situation. In other words, agriculture has not progressed as it should in the past five years. We have to do something for the agricultural class in this country. I do not mean the farmers of the west; in my opinion, as I will show later, the farmers of the west have been getting too much. It is true, as the hon. member for Parkdale (Mr. Spence) stated in this house, that the western farmers have been spoon-fed long enough. Go over the budgets of the past, as far back as you like, and if you can show me-one instance in which the farmers of Ontario, Quebec or the maritimes were helped in any shape or form, outside of the small bonus on cheese given last fall by the late Conservative government, I shall be very much surprised. I can take you back over the budgets of the last number of years and show you where millions and millions have been passed out to the western farmer. I have every sympathy with the farmers of the west, but, I say it with all sincerity, the farmers of the west have absolutely no one to blame but themselves. Some twenty years ago I graduated from college, and when I came home the big cry was, "Go west, young man; go west"! I did not go west; I stayed here in the east and practised my profession. For the next few years my friends were coming home from the west spending money like drunken sailors; they were prosperous and chaffed me about staying here in the east. But I stayed in the east and got along without any help, and that is what the farmers of Ontario and Quebec have been doing. They have not been complaining much; they have not asked for much, and they have been getting no help. But in the west it is a different story; the farmers there are continually coming to this government and asking for bonuses on wheat-we have heard so much here about wheat since this house opened that it is disheartening to the members of this house from Ontario

and Quebec and the maritime provinces. True, as I said, I have every sympathy with the farmers in the west, but let them buckle down themselves and suffer a little bit. I fully realize that I am going to be followed this afternoon by a number of members from the west and I know I shall be roasted for that statement. That is quite all right. I want them to go over the budgets and the estimates of the last number of years and if they can show where the eastern farmer has received anything, then I will retract my statement.

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