February 13, 1925 (14th Parliament, 4th Session)


William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)


Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

In reference to the remarks of my hon. friend. I might give the House the impression I had at the time of adjournment last evening. The hon. member for South York (Mr. Maclean) was speaking at six o'clock. As I reeal, it was, as stated, just six o'clock as his address was obviously being concluded; when he concluded, the Deputy Speaker, being in the chair at the time, looked around to see if any hon. member intended to follow. No one in the house rising, and no exception being taken, the Deputy Speaker then asked the House if he should put the motion, and it was put with due deliberation. Personally I had not heard any mention by the Deputy Speaker of its being six o'clock. I do not question for one moment the word of my right hon. friend (Mr. Meighen) that the Deputy Speaker may have used the words "six o'clock". The Deputy Speaker himself, undoubtedly knows whether he did or not. But I did not hear any mention of six o'clock, although I may say to the House that it certainly was six o'clock before my hon. friend for South

Business of the House-The Address
York (Mr. Maclsan) concluded. When he concluded, the Speaker, as I have said, put th0 motion. He put it very deliberately, and he paused. There were present in the House hon. members representing all groups, and no one present took any exception. As I sized up the situation at the moment, it was that all hon. members who desired to speak had already spoken. I had understood earlier in the day that there were to be no further speeches from this side of the House and that the number of speeches that might be made from the other side would probably be determined by whether or not there were additional speeches from this side. I concluded that the debate was ended and of course took no further notice other than to observe the procedure which seemed to me perfectly regular on the part of the Speaker, bearing in mind that very frequently the House, when it is concluding a piece of business, does run a few minutes past the hour indicated by the clock and further bearing in mind that the Chair in the matter of the time makes formal reference to the hour, as regards which, as I say,
I had not as yet heard any formal declaration made.
The government, have no desire in any way to restrict the debate, much less to deprive any hon. member of an opportunity of participating therein. It seems to me that the matter is one entirely for your own determination, Mr. Speaker, as to what the rules of the House may permit. I do not recall having made any agreement to make a motion. That subject, as far as I can recollect, was not discussed; but if that is the correct method of proceeding, I would be quite prepared to proceed in that way. I would, however, point out, that I should not care to take any action that would have the effect of rescinding the proceedings or that in any way might alter or adversely affect the conclusion of the debate. It is for Your Honour to rule as to the action that should be taken. I would hope that it might be possible to consider the proceedings of yesterday after six o'clock as being in the nature of an inadvertence and to let us proceed with the debate on the Address on that assumption, but that Mr. Speaker is a matter upon which the government is entirely in the hands of Your Honour.

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