I am sorry, but I was not able to understand what the hon. gentleman said. I am quoting what I heard with my own ears. The wprds were plain, and they were as I have stated them. I say such a statement is not fair, not only to the country, but also to a gentleman, as Mr. Gutelius is. I know by conversation with him that he is not a German, and I know that he has never acted as a German but as a business man who knows his business and wishes to be fair. He has fulfilled his duty to the best of his ability, and it is most unfair to attempt to create feeling against him. Of course, those to whom this statement about Mr. Gutelius was made did not hear the other side, and believing what they heard they would naturally support (the side favoured by hon. gentlemen opposite.
I am sorry that my hon. friend from Temiscouata (Mr. Gauvreau) is not in his seat. He challenged me to give the names of men imported by the Liberal party to take the places of the old employees of the Intercolonial.
When I spoke this afternoon as to the example which was given by the Liberal party and when I said that they had exceeded anything which * had been done by our own Administration, I was right. I shall quote several names from memory. There was Mr. Russell, who was general manager, Mr. McGovern, who was a track master right in my .own district, Mr. Jough-ins, who is a general machinist, Mr. Brassard assistant superintendent at 'Riviere du Loup, Mr. Harris, Moncton, Mr. Tiffin who was brought from the Grand Trunk ho Moncton, notwithstanding what the hon. member for St. John said about his (being an Intercolonial man, Mr. Oulette, who was appointed superintendent from the outside and whom the Liberal party had to let go after three months trial, Mr. Dube, whom they also brought from the Grand Trunk and finally, land the best of them all, Mr. Brady, I hope my honourable friend from Temiscouata (Mr. Gauvreau) will take note of that and not interrupt me any more while I am telling the truth. Now, with regard to dismissals; this question has been discussed pretty fully during the last five or six years and it is not necessary for me to refer to it again at any very great length. But, I wish to point out that we have been a good deal more lenient than our friends opposite were. In my constituency from Camp-bellton to Levis we have made very few dismissals since we have been in power. We have only put out of office those that were too bad and this was not done without an investigation being given. Since I have .been the representative of my county, I have recommended many Liberals to small positions such as brakemen and firemen and I have done all I could to help the people there without discrimination as to party.
My hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Car-veil) and my hon. friend from St. John say that the management has been unsatisfactory with regard to the running of trains during the last two years. Any man who has a knowledge of railroading will admit that under the conditions trains could not be run more regularly. The running of the trains has been affected by the conditions and the critical times we are going through. I have looked into the matter very carefully and no man could do better than Mr. Gutelius in running the Intercolonial since the outbreak of war. A<s many trains as possible have been run. Instead of building the Transcontinental railway my hon. friends opposite should have doubletracked the Intercolonial. It would have been a good deal more profitable than to have wasted so many millions in constructing a railroad through a wilderness without any profit to the country.
While I am talking about the Transcontinental, I would like to give the House a bit of my own experience in connnection with that undertaking. I travelled over a part of the railway which has been built west of Quebec. I happened to go 300 miles west of Quebec, and I found on this part of the line evidence of the greatest scandals in the construction of the road. I would invite my hon. friends opposite to visit the Transcontinental west of Quebec, at least as far as Parent, and if they do they will agree with me that a great robbery has been committed in the construction of that road. On the division, covering 100 miles, between Fitzpatrick and Parent the removal of the stones that had fallen on the road, because the work had not been properly done in the first instance, cost the Government last year $10,000.
Subtopic: GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS-PROMOTION OF EMPLOYEES.