No, without. I make the statement, and I challenge contradiction of it, that this Bill gives the right to this company to expropriate without the consent of the municipality. A company operating under the Kailway Act was bound to acquire in fee simple and pay the value of property expropriated, but this company have the additional right of being able to acquire any privilege or easement. It means that they can run their lines anywhere in the city of Montreal, upon the side of a building or over a building, and they can acquire a privilege or easement wherever they please. They do not have to expropriate a right of way. That costs a lot of money. They do not need to spend that money. They can simply acquire an easement or right or privilege and run their lines wherever they please; the company gets this power under subsection 4 of section II of the Bill. I hope that bon. gentlemen representing the city of Montreal will see the effect of this thing and join with those who are trying to protect provincial rights. The Minister of Agriculture said that he saw no peril in the amalgamation of this company with its predecessor, the St. Lawrence Power Company incorporated in 1901, that whatever rights the old company had they would retain, and that this company would retain its rights, but that they could not in any way by making a combination form one company, merge their powers and operate for the joint advantage of both companies. The minister is entirely mistaken, because if he will read the statute incorporating the St. Lawrence Power Company in 1901, he will see that by clause 11 this company have the power to amalgamate with the company which is now being formed, and that the rights possessed by each company will be owned by the joint company. The company which we are incorporating will possess the entire rights of the old company, the old company of 1901 will possess the entire rights of this company, and they will jointly have the enormous powers that are provided for in both cases. With the power given to the old company to amalgamate with this company, these two companies will become one and there will be one gigantic corporation enjoying the powers of the old power company, together with the very large privileges sought in this Bill by the distributing company.