April 2, 1909 (11th Parliament, 1st Session)

LIB

Gustave Adolphe Turcotte

Liberal

Mr. TUECOTTE.

(Translation.) I cannot see how it can be called partial. It bore on all questions relating to the Department of Marine and it was open to the public at large. The hon. leader of the opposition was at liberty to take a hand in it. He is a distinguished lawyer and might have summoned witnesses, questioned or cross-questioned those that were called upon to testify, so as to bring out the whole truth.
Should it be understood that the leader of the opposition has failed to do his duty? Where was he, what was he about when the commission was travelling from town to town? How is it that we have to-day, from the mouth of the leader of the opposition, the admission that he is not satisfied with the inquiry.
Well, if so, he can only lay the blame on his own gross negligence. He gets a salary because he is expected to look after public business the whole year round; why did he not- think proper to appear before the commission and do the work the country pays him for ? Thus, on that occasion the hon. leader of the opposition was obviously neglecting his duty.
Then, if such an investigation costing
355,000 do not answer his expectations, will he be any more satisfied with a general investigation ? Or perhaps he thinks that we are going to order as many inquiries as there are departments.
There is a touch of irregularity irj the resolution of the hon. member from St. Anne's. The hon. gentleman acknowledges that the Minister of Marine is not guilty, that he is honest. On the other hand, we heard the hon. member for North Toronto making insinuations and taking to task not only the Minister of Marine, but the whole cabinet, and even the Prime Minister himself.
Another surprise was sprung upon us
when the hon. member from West Quebec (Mr. Prince) came here and stated that as for him not only is the Minister of Marine honest, but even those who have been found guilty by Mr. Justice Cassels, and dismissed, did not deserve it.
Finally, the hon. member from Leeds (Mr. Tavlor) stated this evening that for his part he thought the whole system was faulty and needed a thorough cleaning
Thus we have four different views. I rely on the evidence of our oponents themselves. I can see them altogether surrounded by a mist or by that cloud which is mentioned in the amendment. This is not only a suspicion, it is naked truth. Evidently, those gentlemen did not put their heads together beforehand, for one says white and the other says black, and they pull different ways. Therefore, how eculd I conscientionsly pass sentence without knowing anything positively, how could I blame the government and ask that they be put on trial when there is no cause for it.
The hon, leader of the opposition is an eminent lawyer, and let him say what scandal he is after. Why not be courageous enough to make a change and we shall answer you. There are eighty members on the other side of the House, but not one of them is able to proffer a formal charge against a single^ member of the government.
The Cassels inquiry was regularly held in _ such a manner as to enlighten public opinion. For that reason, I shall vote against the amendment.
House divided Doherty. on amendment of Mr. YEAS:
Messieurs
Ames, Lennox,
Barker, Lortie.
Barnard, McCall,
Barr. Magrath,
Blondin, Marshall,
Borden (Halifax), Meighen,
Boyce, Middlebro,
Bradbury, Nantel,
Burrell, Northrup,
Chisholm (Huron) Owen,
Crothers, Paquet,
Currie (Simcoe), Perley,
Daniel, Price,
Doherty, Roche,
Donnelly, Schafiner,
Edwards, Sexsmith,
Elson, Smyth,
F oster, Sproule,
Fraser, Stanfield,
Goodeve, Stewart,
Haggart (Lanark), Taylor (Leeds),
Henderson, Taylor (New West-
Herron, Hughes, minster),
Thornton,
Jameson, W allace,
Lake, Wilson (Lennox and
Lalor, Addington),
Lancaster, . Wright.-54.

NATS:
Messieurs
Beauparlant,
Belaud,
Black,
Borden (Sir Fred'k.), Boyer,
Brodeur,
Calvert,
Carrier,
Cash,
Champagne,
Chew,
Chisholm (Antigonisli), Chisholm (Inverness), Clark (Red Deer), Congdon,
Conmee,
Currie (Prince Edw.), Delisle,
Demers,
Devlin.
Dubeau,
Dugas,
Eorement,
Emmerson,
Ethier,
Fielding,
Fisher,
Fortier,
Fowke,
Gauvrcau,
Gervais,
Girard,
Gladu,
Graham,
Harty,
Hodgins,
Hunt,
Kyte,
Lanctot (Laprairie-Nanierville),
Lanctot (Richelieu), Lapointe,
Laurier (Sir Wilfrid), Laver gne,
Law,
LeBlanc,
Lemieux,
Loggie,
Maclean (Lunenburg),
McAlister,
MoCraney,
Molntyre (Perth), McKenzie,
McLean (Huron), McLean (Sunbury), MoMillan,
Major,
Maroile (Bagot), Martin (Montreal, St. Mary's),
Martin (Regina), Martin (Wellington), Michaud,
Miller,
Molloy,
Murphy,
Nesbitt,
Neely,
Papineau,
Pardee,
Parent,
Paterson,
Pickup,
Proulx,
Pugsley,
Rankin,
Reid (Restigouohe), Richards,
Rivet,
Robb,
Ross,
Roy (Dorchester),
Roy (Montmagny), Rutan,
Sealey,
Seguin,
Sifton,
Smith (Middlesex). Smith (Nanaimo), Templeman,
Tolmie,
Turcotte (Nicolet), Turcotte (Quebeo County),
Turgeon,
Verville,
Wilson (Laval)-94.
PAIRS:
Harris,
Aylesworth,
Oliver,
Allen,
Knowles,
Sutherland,
Guthrie,
TurriS,
Schell,
German,
Clarke (Essex), MaoNutt, Sinolair, Carvell.
Beattie,
Maclean (York, S.), Haggart (Winnipeg), Thoburn,
Arthurs,
Cowan,
Macdonefl,
Osier,
MoCarthy,
Crocket,
Bristol,
Forget,
Lewis,
Sharpe (Lisgar).
Amendment negatived, motion agreed to, and House went into Committee of Supply.

Topic:   SUPPLY-THE MARINE AND FISHERIES DEPARTMENT.
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