Order, please. Before continuing this discussion I think it is my duty to remind hon. members again, more particularly with regard to a statement made yesterday and to the comments made today, that they should not disregard entirely the provisions of standing order 15 (2a) to the effect that statements made by ministers should be limited to certain facts which it is necessary to make known to the house, and that spokesmen for each of the parties in opposition to the government may comment on them briefly. I have said before and I will say again that brevity is a relative standard. It may be that my standards are slightly old fashioned.