December 11, 1962 (25th Parliament, 1st Session)


Paul Joseph James Martin


Mr. Martin (Essex East):

The Minister of Labour says that I am. I will let him produce the figures. I do not think I am wrong. But when I heard the Minister of Labour talking to the Canadian Congress of Labour this morning, speaking of the figures of unemployment, I would say to him that the figures which he gave on this occasion were not accurate either.
I was dealing with the nature of the problem which affects this particular board in relation to the rest of the country, and I pointed out that about ten days ago the members of parliament from the constituencies to which I referred, together with three mayors from Sydney, Glace Bay and one other town in Nova Scotia, and mayors from the city of Windsor, Tecumseh and Ojibway, and other places in Essex county, met with the Minister of Trade and Commerce. The Minister of Labour was not present, nor was the Minister of Finance, but the Minister of National Health and Welfare was there as the presiding officer and we discussed a problem that is common to many areas in Canada, especially to the maritime provinces and the many industrial areas of the country. I refer to the problem of runaway industry. We wranted to know what measures the government was prepared to take to deal with this very difficult situation. We wanted to know what fiscal measures the government had in mind. Was the government giving consideration to such things as a town and country act such as they have in England, or to the unemployment act passed in 1960 in England, as a means of trying to relieve the unemployment which resulted from industries moving from one area of high employment to an area of less employment? That is a problem not only common to the maritime provinces, where it attends many constituencies, but it is also a problem which affects many other areas, including the area from which I come.
What is going to be done about that problem? That is what is involved in clause 9(2). If the minister wants us to pass this measure and have us understand it in the terms in which it is presented, then let him tell us how he is going to deal, and how this government is going to deal, with this particular problem. The minister says, let us pass this bill and give it a trial. Of course we want to pass this bill, but we want to pass it with an

appreciation of what the government really intends to do about the implications and the provisions in this clause, which could mean, if properly resorted to, a great deal of relief in the matter of the relocation of industry to which I have just referred.
Mr. Chairman, these are not matters of ordinary concern. These are matters of great moment which affect thousands of people in our country. Surely we have the right tonight to ask the minister exactly what he means when he says that this board is going to work with the national economic development board, the national productivity council, all departments, branches, and other agencies of the government of Canada having duties, aims or objects relating to those of this board. Those are wonderful words. I now call upon the minister to give meaning to them.

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