Perhaps I might first of all answer the direct question asked by the hon. member for Greenwood in connection with non-ferrous scrap. He asked under what power in the Export and Import Permits Act import permits were issued in that connection. The power is in section 4 (a) of the Export and Import Permits Act which contains the words "or governmental controls in the countries of origin". Import permits in connection with non-ferrous scrap were required because of government control in the United States which made it necessary for a Canadian importer to have a permit from Canada to import the scrap in order to effect his purchase in the United States and to get his export approved from that country.
The hon. member for Greenwood has raised a question of importance and one that the committee properly should consider carefully, namely the justification for the passage of this section which gives certain powers to be exercised by the governor in council. In particular, that power under this section will be to establish a list of goods which shall be called an import control list. The hon. member for Greenwood suggested that the arguments for the justification of similar powers which were contained in the Export and Import Permits Act-and which will be replaced by the bill now before the house if and when it receives parliamentary assent-do not now apply. He quoted some of those arguments in favour of the granting of the powers at that time and has suggested that they do not apply. As a matter of fact I think he defied me to say that conditions had not changed and that these arguments still justified the inclusion of similar powers in the present act.
I would say to the hon. gentleman-and I hope he will agree with me-that the very reasons he has quoted justify the existence of some power of this kind which can be used when required. For example, in his quotations he referred to situations of shortage of a particular import in the country of origin. Mr. Chairman, when a situation of shortage exists in the country of origin, we have found that the practice of that country usually is to make certain restrictions on the export of that commodity and to require certain assurances from any importing country that the particular material is going to be used for a proper and, in some instances, for an essential purpose. The
usual means employed by importing countries to give that assurance is the issuance by themselves of an import permit to the national of their country who wishes to purchase in the foreign country and to import.
Subtopic: EXTENSION OF CONTROL OF STRATEGIC MATERIALS