That is the point. I do not think we should embark upon a wrong philosophy. Just because we spend money on war memorials, to my mind should not mean we shall have any less money to spend on the security of the people.
While I am on my feet I should like to make one or two observations and then come back to my question. If we are to have war TMr. Irvine.]
memorials I believe we should have the best. I have noticed some agitation on the part of artists, or should I say artisans, to confine the work in connection with these memorials to Canadian artists. I am not entirely in sjmn-pathy with that view. I believe we should use all the Canadian talent we have, and I think we possess a great deal of it in Canada. I believe also we have a good deal of potential talent that many of our young sons and daughters have not yet had a chance to bring out. But all the artistry that is required may not be found within our own borders; and if in order to have the best we must obtain the advice of outstanding world artists and sculps tors, then I say nothing is too good for a war memorial. On a number of occasions I have been in our own memorial chamber in the peace tower with visitors. I have not travelled around the world, but I have been in most of the large cities of the United States. I did take a smattering of art in my younger days, and while I do not claim to have a superabundance of appreciation for art, I will say that I do not believe I have seen anywhere any greater portrayal of art and thought than has been shown by those who designed the memorial chamber in this building. That chamber is really a work of art, and the amount of thought that is behind it is tremendous. I find something new every time I go there. Nothing seems to have been forgotten. I do not know how many hon. members are aware that outside the entrance to the chamber there are even sculptured! in stone the forms of mice, rats and pigeons. I do not know how often these are brought to the attention of the public, but if you ask the reason for them you will find that these were used for war purposes. I certainly appreciate the thought that has been put into that memorial chamber. Around the altar where the Book of Remembrance is kept we have perhaps one of the finest inscriptions ever to come from the pen of man, apart from sacred scripture:
My marks and scars I carry with me, to be a wit ness for me that I have fought His battles who will now be my re warder. So he passed over and all the trumpets sounded for him on the other side.
Subtopic: INCLUSION OF IVAR MEMORIALS AS PROJECTS ACCEPTABLE FOR REGISTRATION