March 2, 1944 (19th Parliament, 5th Session)

LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Associate Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Air; Minister of National Defence for Air and Associate Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Several members have asked questions with regard to the transfer of Canadian nationals who are now members of the R.A.F. or the W.A.A.F. to the R.C.A.F. Perhaps I may be permitted to table the regulations which are three or four pages long and have them inserted in Hansard. I shall do so with the consent of the committee. They are as follows:
Regulations governing the transfer of Canadian
Nationals who are members of the R.A.F
or W.A.A.F. to the R.C.A.F.
1. Up to the present time the policy respecting the transfer of Canadian nationals, who are members of the R.A.F., to the R.C.A.F., has been to consider only applications from personnel who are highly qualified, either from a technical standpoint or in some special phase of training operations in which the R.C.A.F. has a deficiency. Such transfers have been the exception rather than the rule, and the overriding principle has been that transfers will not ordinarily be made.
2. The question of such transfers was discussed during the B.C.A.T.P. conference at Ottawa in May-June, 1942, and appendix S to the minutes of the conference is as follows:
"It is agreed that United Kingdom and dominion partners will consider applications of individuals for transfer to the air forces of

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their own nationality with a view to such transfers taking place wherever the circumstances make it desirable, and subject to its being found possible to make financial arrangements satisfactory to the individuals concerned."
3. A large number of applications to transfer have been made, both in Canada and overseas, and are pending, and it is considered the matter should be brought to a finality and a general policy laid down with respect to the same.
4. The policy and procedure with respect to such transfers was further discussed by the Minister of National Defence for Air and the under secretary of state for air at a conference at Ottawa, in February, 1944, and it was agreed, upon behalf of the governments concerned, that Canadian nationals, who are members of the R.A.F. or W.A.A.F., w-ould be permitted to transfer to the R.C.A.F. upon the terms and conditions and in the circumstances hereinafter set forth.
5. A Canadian national for the purposes of such transfer shall be deemed to be either-
(a) a person not ordinarily resident in Great Britain who is, under the provisions of any act in force in the Dominion of Canada, a national or a citizen of the Dominion of Canada, within the meaning of that act, or is a person born or domiciled in the Dominion of Canada. For the purposes of this definition a person who is resident in Great Britain shall be deemed to be ordinarily resident there unless he has been resident in Great Britain for less than two years or has been or is residing there only for the purpose of attending a course of education or the circumstances of his residence in Great Britain are otherwise such as to show that he is residing there for a temporary xjurpose only;
(b) A British subject born or domiciled in the Dominion of Canada who departed from the Dominion of Canada for the purpose of joining the Royal Air Force and who in pursuance of such purpose has become a member of the Royal Air Force.
6. The following classes of personnel, who are Canadian nationals, may apply to transfer to the R.C.A.F.:
(a) Officers and airmen who joined the R.A.F.V.R. after the outbreak of the war.
(b) Regular officers and airmen, and officers holding short or medium service commissions who joined the R.A.F. on or after 1st January. 1935.
(c) Canadian-born women, not normally domiciled in the United Kingdom, who entered the United Kingdom to join the Women's Auxiliary Air Force before the establishment of the women's division of the R.C.A.F. in Canada.
(d) Canadian-born women, resident in the United Kingdom at the outbreak of the war, who joined the Women's Auxiliary Air Force, provided they were not permanently domiciled in the United Kingdom, and did not enter the United Kingdom for the purpose of establishing a domicile.
7. Procedure upon application
(a) Applications by such R.A.F. officers or airmen and W.A.A.F. officers or airwomen are to be submitted on an approved form through their commanding officers. Such applications will then be passed through the usual channels to air force headquarters or R.C.A.F. overseas 100-70
headquarters, as appropriate, where they will be dealt with and considered in accordance with the administrative procedure laid down.
(b) Upon approval by the appropriate R.C.A.F. and R.A.F. authorities, officer applicants will be required to relinquish their commissions in the R.A.F. or W.A.A.F., and airmen and airwomen applicants will be required to be discharged from the R.A.F. or W.A.A.F., and will be appointed to commissions or enlisted in the R.C.A.F. or R.C.A.F. (W.D.), as hereinafter provided, the effective date of appointment or enlistment in each case to be the day following the date of relinquishment of commission or discharge.
8. No transfers are to be finally approved and carried into effect unless the appropriate R.A.F. authority concurs in the same and agrees to release the officer, airman or airwoman concerned with no financial adjustment by the government of Canada or by the R.C.A.F.-
(a) in regard to any gratuity paid or payable to Canadian-born short service commission officers, or
(b) in respect of reserve service in the R.A.F., or
(c) otherwise, howsoever, in the event of such transfer taking place.
9. R.A.F. officers (permanent force) on the general list, and R.A.F.Y.R. officers on the general list, are to be transferred to and commissioned in the R.CA.F. special reserve, general list, in their temporary, substantive or war substantive rank (whichever is the highest) in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R., with seniority in the R.C.A.F., special reserve, as of the date such temporary, substantive or war substantive rank (whichever is the highest) was granted to them in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R. All acting ranks held at the time of transfer are to be relinquished.
10. RAF, officers (permanent force) on the non-flying list, and R.A.F.V.R. officers on the non-flying list are to be transferred to and commissioned in the R.C.A.F., special reserve, non-flying list, in the same branch as that in which they are serving in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R., or in any other branch for which they are considered suitable, and in their temporary, substantive or war substantive rank (whichever is the highest) in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.Y.R., with seniority in the R.C.A.F., special reserve as of the date such temporary, substantive or war substantive rank (whichever is the highest) was granted to them in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R. All acting ranks held at the time of transfer are to be relinquished.
11. W.A.A.F. officers are to be transferred! to and commissioned in the R.C.A.F. (W.D.) in the same branch as that in which they are serving in the W1.A.F, or in any other branch for which they are considered suitable, and in their temporary or war substantive rank (whichever is the higher) in the W.A.A.F. with seniority in the R.CA.F. (W.D.) as of the date such temporary or war substantive rank (whichever is the higher)^ was granted to them in the W.A.A.F. All acting ranks held at the time of transfer are to be relinquished.
12. R.A.F. (permanent force) airmen and R.A.F.Y.R. airmen are to be transferred to and enlisted in the R.C.A.F., special reserve,-
_ (a) (i) in the same trade and group as that in which they are serving in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R.. or

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(ii) in any other trade and group for which they are considered suitable and which is comparable to that held in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R., and
(b) (i) in their temporary rank in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R., or
(ii) in their classification in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R., and
(c) with seniority (if any) in the R.C.A.F., special reserve, as of the date such temporary rank or classification was granted to them in the R.A.F. or R.A.F.V.R.
All acting ranks held at the time of transfer are to be relinquished.
13. Similar provisions to those set out in the immediately preceding paragraphs are to apply to the transfer of W.A.A.F. airwomen from the W.A.A.F. and their enlistment in the R.C.A.F. (W.D.).
14. No rights, credits or any financial advantages accruing from or because of service in the EA.F., R.A.F.V.R. or W.A.A.F. may be carried over into or will be given credit for in the R.C.A.F. or R.C.A.F. (W.D.). All applicants must understand that from a financial standpoint they are starting anew. Officers so transferred shall not be entitled to the uniform allowances given to R.C.A.F. officers upon first appointment.
15. The effective date of transfer to the R.C.A.F. shall be decided in each case between air ministry and the R.C.A.F. authorities.
The hon. member for York South asked a question along somewhat similar lines with regard to rehabilitation facilities and educational facilities being made available to Canadians in the R.A.F. This afternoon I put on Hansard a statement to the effect that predemobilization education and vocational training in either force would be available to the members of the other force. I have tried to make myself plain. In other words, if a Canadian is with an R.A.F. unit he could take advantage of the R.A.F. educational facilities. If a Britisher is with the R.C.A.F. he can take advantage of our educational facilities.

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