February 5, 1942 (19th Parliament, 3rd Session)

LIB

William Alexander Fraser

Liberal

Mr. W. A. FRASER (Northumberland, Ont.):

Mr. Speaker, I realize, on rising to offer some contribution, I hope, to this debate, that as a member of this house I am endeavouring to speak at the most serious time in the history of Canada, the empire and the future of civilization as we know it. I want it

clearly understood at the outset that, supported by the stand I have taken in this house since 1936, I am absolutely and irrevocably and determinedly for an all-out war effort on the part of Canada.
Before proceeding with the observations I have to make this afternoon I should like to make reference to the speech made by my good friend the hon. member for Lambton West (Mr. Gray), which I considered a well-developed and well-delivered oration. But I can only say to him, as I can say to the hon. member for Eglinton (Mr. Hoblitzell) who spoke two days ago, that as Voltaire said:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
The first thing we should do, Mr. Speaker, in considering Canada's position is to consider the position of Great Britain at the present time; to consider the position in which the people of Britain have found themselves from the beginning of this war, but particularly as developments have taken place from day to day; to consider the position of Britain to-day as compared with the position she was in during the war of 1914-18. Then there were many places to which Britain could turn for supplies; there was Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Spain, and it is not necessary for me to mention, except to ask hon. members to visualize, the supplies she drew in raw materials from the countries accessible during that conflict.
At that time also Britain had available for her war effort the raw materials and food supplies of Australia, New Zealand and the other parts of the empire.
To-day Britain's position is such that Canada is not only the most important but practically the only reservoir for the supplies she needs not only to carry on her war effort but for the very existence of her people. Situated as we are on the shortest sea lane across the western ocean, we must be ready, as we have been, not only to supply Britain with her food and raw material requirements, but to supply her to the limit of our ability with the implements and equipment so necessary to carry on this conflict. In that regard Canada, a highly industrialized country, a vast agricultural country, with over one-third of her people engaged on the land, occupies an outstanding and essential position in the matter of enabling Britain to maintain her people and to carry on this war.
It has been necessary for the government and the people of Canada, in consultation with the people and the authorities, military and civil, of Great Britain, to work out some

The Address-Mr. Fraser (Northumberland)
plan whereby Canada could1 extend to Britain the maximum contribution to the achievement of our common objective, that is, the defeat of our enemies, the defeat of that school of thought, the defeat of the totalitarian dictators. That is Canada's duty to-day as it has been in the months that have passed.
Anyone who has not had the opportunity to survey 'Canada's war industries, to go into the shipyards, the gun plants, the aeroplane plants, the plants producing parts, plants producing the things that Britain has not been able to mobilize to produce even to this day, cannot realize the tremendous effort that has been made and the great results that have accrued from Canada's industrial mobilization under the direction of the efficient and tireless and experienced Minister of Munitions and Supply (Mr. Howe). If hon. members could, as I have done, spend a month going over the industrial development of Canada, taking into full consideration the time required to turn industry from peacetime production to wartime production, the time required to tool up, to produce dies, jigs, machines, to procure from the only available source the requisite precision tools to produce guns, planes, parts and equipment and munitions, they would marvel at the contribution Canada has made in that respect 'to the war effort of our empire and our allies.
In this connection, Mr. Speaker, I want to refer for a moment or two to a recent issue of the Monetary Times, in which appear page after page of names of those who have been brought into the service of the nation in order to mobilize Canada's industry for our war effort. I hope hon. members will not consider it out of place if I read into the record the names of these men, of all political complexions, from all walks of life but leaders of various branches of industry, who have voluntarily entered the service of the state, to give of their time and experience in the organization of Canada's war industry and the alignment of Canada's economic and financial position in this world struggle. These are the names:
Donald Gordon, chairman, wartime prices and trade board.
R. C. Berkinshaw, chairman, wartime industries control board.
Allan H. Williamson, controller of supplies.
G. R. Cottrelle, oil controller.
D. B. Carswell, director general of naval construction.
John H. Berry, motor vehicle controller.
S. W. Fairweather, director general, economics and statistics.
Colonel D. E. Dewar, director general of arsenals and small arms.
Shirley G. Dixon, K.C., artificial silk administrator.
H. G. Smith, administrator of knit goods.
Hon. J. G. Taggart, food administrator.
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F. B. Walls, coordinator of textiles and clothing.
Edgar G. Burton, administrator of retail trade.
Robert F. Chisholm, administrator of wholesale trade.
D. J. 0. Meyers, director of purchase branch in United States.
R. B. Whitehead, It.C., deputy administrator of retail trade.
Thomas Arnold, machine tools controller.
W. D. F. Drysdale, director general of industrial planning.
I understand this gentleman has made an unparalleled contribution to Canada's tank production. [DOT]*
F. M. Ross, director general, naval armaments branch.
Colonel D. Stairs, director general of defence projects.
J. P. D. Malkin, joint director general of purchasing.
Desmond A. Clarke, director general of shipbuilding.
F. H. Brown, assistant director general of munitions production.
Wilfred Gagnon, joint director general of purchasing.
J. G. Dodd, administrator of cotton.
Ralph P. Bell, director general of aircraft production.
J. D. C. Forsyth, administrator, men's and boys' furnishings.
Allan S. Nicholson, controller of timber.
E. P. Taylor, president, British supply council in North America.
D. M. Farish, director general of personnel, munitions and supply.
H. J. Symington, K.C., controller of power.
C. Blake Jackson, controller of construction.
H. M. Long, special assistant to the Minister of Finance.
Michael Morris, administrator of furs.
Harry J. Carmichael, director general of gun production.
Frederick B. Kilbourn, controller of steel.
Doctor R. J. Manion.
John A. Marsh, Hamilton.
I had the honour of sitting in this house with Mr. Marsh, who is doing one fine job of work on behalf of this dominion to-day. And then day after day we see in the daily press lists of men who have been asked or who have volunteered to give their services to the country to do necessary work in the prosecution of the biggest business in the world to-day, the business of war. These men are not chosen from any political rank or for any particular colour or stripe; they are chosen by the government, and in particular by the department under the administration of the Minister of Munitions and Supply because they are the best men in Canada to carry on that work.
I should like to refer for a moment to statements made in the British House of Commons by Mr. Churchill on January 28, only last week, in connection with Canada's financial contribution to the empire war effort.

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The Address-Mr. Fraser (Northumberland)
This quotation is from the Montreal Star of January 28, 1942:
Mr. Churchill himself praised us when he was here, and yesterday in the British house he referred to "Canada's great and growing contribution to the common cause in men, money and materials," as part of his expression of thanks for our financial offer, which he glowingly termed an offer "unique in its scale in the whole history of the British empire."
I wish to place on record1 also another statement, this time from the Globe and Mail, made at the same time by Mr. Churchill, in these words:
We are conducting this war on the basis of full democracy, and this attempt has'nt been made before in such circumstances.
A variety of attacks are made upon the composition of the government. It is said that it is formed upon a party political basis, but so is the House of Commons. It is silly to extol the parliamentary system and in the next breath say, "Away with party; away with politics."
I have mentioned this statement because I want to make reference to it a little later.
Before proceeding further I feel that as a member representing a constituency in the province of Ontario I would not be taking full advantage of this opportunity if I did1 not make some reference to the "total war committee" of the city of Toronto. If I were not firmly convinced that mine was the right stand; if I were not firmly convinced that I had a duty to perform, as a humble member of this House of Commons, to express my innate convictions, I should not be speaking this afternoon; but, since I am speaking, I believe I would be unmindful of my duty if I did not make particular reference to this so-called committee. My roots are buried deep in the soil of Scotland. When the war of 1914 broke out my dear old Scotch father called his three boys into the living room and said, "The empire is at war. Choose what you are going to do, the navy or the army, but get into it." That is but an expression of the loyalty I hold not only to Canada but also to the British empire. I make reference to this incident because I take second place to no one in this chamber, or out of it, in my loyalty to my country. But I am going to maintain that loyalty without subterfuge, without fear, without appeal to emotion, prejudice or class. I am going to maintain it in fair, manly language; I am going to do my duty as I see it, regardless of party, race or creed. And I must Say, Mr. Speaker, that I consider the methods used by the "total war committee" of Toronto embodied subterfuge, deception and hyprocrisy.
I want to place upon record this afternoon the original telegram-"the" original telegram

sent out by J. Y. Murdoch, Fred K. Morrow

and Charles Burton, inviting two hundred people from Ontario to attend a luncheon for which they paid in the Royal York hotel in Toronto. I shall place the full wire on record.
This wire was sent to Mr. 0. G. Alyea, at Trenton, Ontario. Please take particular note of the phraseology of it:
Would appreciate if you would join us at luncheon at Royal York hotel on Saturday, January 10, 12.30 p.m. to a limited number influential citizens to discuss a matter of urgent national importance which in the meantime must remain confidential. Please telegraph acceptance immediately care of Royal York hotel, Toronto.
Why did they not tell those people what they were there for? Why did they not tell them why they were invited? The great majority of those two hundred people went to the city of Toronto expecting that these outstanding men were inviting them to have luncheon m order to organize on behalf of the Dominion of Canada the new victory loan. They did not expect they were going to be placed under the obligation of accepting a luncheon at somebody else's expense. They did not expect that within the confines of formal etiquette they would be placed at a disadvantage by their hosts. They were invited there to discuss a matter which must be kept confidential. Let me say, Mr. Speaker, that anything which has to do with the welfare of Canada is not confidential with me. I can say it from my place in the House of Commons or say it publicly on any platform or at any luncheon, paid for or otherwise, in the Dominion of Canada.
Now, let us analyse the records of these gentlemen. I make this analysis because I shall have something to say about it before I have finished. I make the analysis because I detest underhand methods. Last night I sent down to the parliamentary library and obtained a copy of "Who's Who", which contains the record of every industrialist and financier in Canada. Every industrialist and financier in Canada who wishes to have his picture or photograph published pays $200 to get it in. Let us read it-

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