I think every hon. member of the committee will approve of the principle embodied in this proposed legislation. In times such as the present, every nation has the right to protect itself. The bill deals with acts of espionage or attempts to damage public works in Canada. Hon. members cannot be anything but wholeheartedly in favour of such a measure; but there are aspects of the matter which naturally come to mind when we are dealing with espionage and other acts of the kind which may be committed in times such as these. The whole world is in a state of turmoil, and Canada is not entirely free from the activities of those who may some day be potential enemies. I have no doubt that the proposal now before us is aimed at certain forces which are within our borders. It may be well to understand how certain potential enemies who are in our midst happen to be here and why they are prepared to do damage to this dominion.
On more than one occasion hon. members have risen in their places to refer to certain forces in Canada which are a danger to the ' best interests of the dominion. Unfortunately these forces are quite numerous. I believe in the principle of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. I should be one of the last to infringe upon those rights, but we have to-day in Canada certain forces of nazism and fascism which, as I said a moment ago, are a danger to the state. If the doctrines they are preaching were preached entirely in the open, I should have no objection. I think a man has a perfect right to preach any doctrine he likes, so long as he does not advocate force. But the teachings of nazism are based not upon the force of law but upon force itself. Those who preach these doctrines are attempting to spread dissension and hatred throughout Canada, with resulting danger to the peace of the country.
This type of propaganda is being spread throughout the dominion and apparently up to the present there has been no check upon it. I repeat that. I have no objection to people advocating a particular doctrine so long as they do not advocate force; but this is something entirely different. When a man
becomes a naturalized citizen of Canada he takes an oath of allegiance to the crown. The people to whom I refer are not merely exercising the right of freedom of speech. There are naturalized Germans in Canada to-day who owe allegiance not to Canada but to the country of their origin. It is a question whether they are truly Canadians or whether they owe allegiance to some foreign power. It is a question whether in a case of emergency their allegiance would not be to the country of their origin.
Some few years ago the late Mr. Jacobs, the former member for Cartier, brought to the attention of the Minister of Justice certain articles which were being disseminated by the German consul in the city of Montreal. The record will show that the Minister of Justice disapproved of such activities being carried on through a consular agent of a foreign country. In spite of the rebuke which was then administered by the Minister of Justice to the German consul, certain activities are still being carried on by German agents in this country which I believe are inimical to the best interests of the dominion. First of all I shall deal with certain activities of the German consul in Montreal, which I consider to be of a type intended to be covered by this bill.
I should like to quote from an article which appeared in the New York Post of Tuesday, December 20, 1938. It was written by Leon G. Turrou, a former member of the federal bureau of investigation of the United States, more commonly known as the G-men. Evidently this man left the service of the federal bureau of investigation and wrote a series of articles of which this was one. I believe the government of the United States subsequently intervened and publication of the articles was discontinued. The article shows how closely the espionage services in the United States are linked up with those carried on in Canada. It reads:
That night Griebl took him-
That is Turrou.
-to his summer home in the Peekskill mountains of Westchester county. Lonkowski (with several aliases, air ministry, Berlin-indicted on June 17th/38 by a federal grand jury in New York on charges on conspiring to steal military codes and confidential information concerning the armed forces, ships and aircraft of the United States) hid out there a couple of days. Then Griebl supplied him with his own car and a driver. The driver was Ulrich Haussman, a German pilot during the world war, who was in this country ostensibly as a reporter for a German aviation magazine.
Haussman drove Lonkowski to Montreal, Canada, where they enlisted the aid of the German consul.
I ask the minister to note this.
A German freighter was in port at Montreal, waiting for a cargo. The German consul at Montreal had Lonkowski smuggled on board the freighter, where he was given the treatment of a hero, and safely guarded until the ship sailed.
In other words, a German consul in Canada was aiding and abetting the escape of a fugitive of justice from the United States in order that he might get back to the country of his origin, Germany. That is what I claim -that the German consuls in this country are really a part of the nazi espionage organization in Canada. When, as stated in this article written by a member of the federal bureau of investigation in the United States, a German consul aids and abets a fugitive from justice to escape from the United States and puts him on board a freighter in the port of Montreal, he is going far beyond the privileges conferred upon foreign consuls in the Dominion of Canada. Doctor Griebl escaped from the United States and went back to Germany without any formalities, yet he was head of the nazi espionage ring in the United States. I quote further from the article:
Doctor Griebl denied any direct spy dealings with the Canadian base. So I confronted him with the records of his telephone calls for the last three years. They showed a number of calls to the nazi spy chief at Montreal.
"Oh, that," said Griebl. "I'll tell you what that was. This man in Montreal is a stamp collector. I am a stamp collector, too. I called him about stamps."
Then I confronted him with proof that he had at least twice sent money-$75 once and $50 another time-to the spy in Montreal.
"That," said Griebl, "was for stamps I bought from him."
Subtopic: CONSOLIDATION OF IMPERIAL STATUTES TO FORM PART OF LAW OF CANADA