June 18, 2019

LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, I do not accept the premise of the question. As we all know, my dear colleagues in the NDP have never understood the fact that we take an approach that is balanced between moving forward with the economy, but also taking a very responsible attitude with respect to the environment.

Having said that, I want to thank NDP members who, in May 2018, voted in favour of the moratorium of Bill C-48. I want to also point out one particular member, the member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley, who has been absolutely fantastic with respect to mobilizing all the support necessary for us to pass this bill. I thank him for that.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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CPC

Rachael Harder

Conservative

Ms. Rachael Harder (Lethbridge, CPC)

Madam Speaker, Bill C-48 is a direct attack on Canada's economy. It will tie up or prevent tanker traffic from travelling in northern B.C.

The problem with this is the hypocrisy at the core, which is this. Venezuelan oil is accepted in Quebec and Saudi Arabian oil is accepted on the east coast. Both of these countries have very few, if any, environmental regulations. Both of these countries treat their citizens with absolute disrespect. Human rights barely, if at all, exist within these countries.

Meanwhile, within our own country, we have a government that wants to tie up the responsible development of the oil industry, thus harming our overall economy and our place on the world stage. Why the hypocrisy?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, may I correct a couple of things there? According to a 2018 analysis by the National Bank, 44% of Quebec's oil is sourced from western Canada, with another 37% from the United States. Only 19% comes from overseas, with the largest chunk, 11%, coming from Algeria not from Saudi Arabia. In light of these facts, would the opposition member like to take this opportunity to thank Quebeckers for helping sustain the oil patch in the west through this difficult period caused by a drop in world prices of crude oil?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Robert-Falcon Ouellette

Liberal

Mr. Robert-Falcon Ouellette (Winnipeg Centre, Lib.)

Madam Speaker, I was just reading about the new agreement or what the government just approved. It was allowing the extra earnings from the TMX to fund clean energy transition. This is about striking a balance, and this bill here is about ensuring that there is a balance. I know that there are people there who have—

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Carol Hughes

New Democratic Party

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

Order. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby will come to order. If he has other questions or comments, he should wait until I ask for those.

The hon. member for Winnipeg Centre.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Robert-Falcon Ouellette

Liberal

Mr. Robert-Falcon Ouellette

Madam Speaker, I wish the member for New Westminster—Burnaby could be a bit more polite as I try to offer my thoughts.

Balance is truly something that we need to have. We had this opportunity to hear the minister speak a bit about that balance and how we have to ensure that indigenous peoples also have the opportunity to get jobs and provide for their families and to be part owners of this, having equity and then using those funds to transition to a cleaner and better economy. Striking that balance for each and every Canadian is important.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, my colleague really has hit the centre of the bull's eye by talking about the fact that, yes, we are stewards of the environment but we also are very concerned about trying to address economic issues and economic opportunities for first nations. That is essentially the approach that we as a party have taken from the beginning. It is not an either/or issue, where we forget about the environment, like the Conservatives, or in the case of the New Democrats, where we forget about the economy. We have actually, in our opinion, hit the sweet spot by trying to address both.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Pierre Nantel

New Democratic Party

Mr. Pierre Nantel (Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, NDP)

Madam Speaker, as part of this exchange, I would like to hear the Liberal government explain why it believes that tripling oil sands production will not triple pollution. It could have decided to support Alberta's economy, which I understand, by requiring the increased production to be offset by a decrease in emissions per barrel. However, there is no mention of that. This is an election ploy designed to obfuscate. The government is talking out of both sides of its mouth. I will ask a very straightforward question.

How can the Liberal government believe that tripling production will not triple pollution?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, I am tempted to ask my colleague how he gets from Saint-Hubert to Ottawa every week. On foot? No, I doubt he walks all that way.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Pierre Nantel

New Democratic Party

Mr. Pierre Nantel

That has nothing to do with it. I come here in an electric car.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, I would really appreciate it if the member could be quiet for once. Unfortunately—

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Carol Hughes

New Democratic Party

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

I would like to say to the minister that I am capable of determining when someone is out of order. The member recognized that he was not acting appropriately and gave the minister a chance to continue with his answer. I am giving the minister the opportunity to continue so we can move on to another question.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

I apologize, Madam Speaker.

The problem with my colleague is that the only thing that matters to him is the environment. In his eyes, the economy does not count. He talked about campaign speeches. The wealth that flows from our energy sector allows us to build hospitals and schools in Quebec, but he does not talk about that. We are striking a balance between the economy and the environment.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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CPC

David Anderson

Conservative

Mr. David Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands, CPC)

Madam Speaker, the government's environmental plan is all show and no go. Yesterday, we saw a climate emergency declaration that is all show and no go. That is on top of the fact that today the Liberals brought in a pipeline approval that is all show and absolutely no go. Now, we are dealing with Bill C-48, which is all show and no go. That is on top of the foundation of the Liberals' climate plan, which is a tax plan and not a climate change plan; again, it is all show and no go. Does the minister realize how much of a joke Canadians realize his environmental program actually is?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, talking about all show and no go, I think we are at day 420, waiting for the environmental climate change plan that is going to come from the Conservatives. Hopefully, it will come tomorrow. Tomorrow we will find out how they will magically take care of everything with absolutely no impact on anybody. That is the thing I am waiting to hear tomorrow.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Pierre-Luc Dusseault

New Democratic Party

Mr. Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Madam Speaker, I am a bit disappointed in the meaningless answer the minister gave to the question from my colleague from Longueuil—Saint-Hubert. He said that we need to build Trans Mountain and triple the pipeline's capacity to export our crude oil because my colleague drives to Ottawa in a car. What a pointless thing to say.

What does the fact that my colleague drives to Ottawa have to do with exporting crude oil from the oil sands, which we buy back as refined oil to fuel our gas-powered cars?

Can he explain his twisted logic?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, what I meant was that some people can be naive or hypocritical when it comes to energy. It is important to recognize that we need to look after the environment and the economy at the same time.

Tens of thousands of people rely on the energy sector, and this sector contributes to our country's wealth, allowing us to build schools and hospitals in Quebec. That is the reality, but those who are constantly criticizing energy development never recognize that.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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CPC

Mark Strahl

Conservative

Mr. Mark Strahl (Chilliwack—Hope, CPC)

Madam Speaker, when the government cancelled the northern gateway pipeline project and brought in the tanker ban, the Liberals tore $2 billion in equity away from the Aboriginal Equity Partners, $2 billion for aboriginal communities in northern B.C. where there is not much economic development. When we asked Liberals about it, they said they did not even consult them before they brought this in.

There is another project, the Eagle Spirit pipeline, completely indigenous owned, that has been shut down by Bill C-48 and the northern tanker ban. The Nisga'a Nation has expressed interest in having a port for a future pipeline, and the government has shut it down.

Why has the government shut down and torn away so much economic opportunity from indigenous Canadians in northern British Columbia?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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LIB

Marc Garneau

Liberal

Hon. Marc Garneau

Madam Speaker, I disagree with that characterization of the situation, because there are still plenty of opportunities.

Let me talk about the example of the massive LNG project out of Kitimat. That will provide opportunities for first nations and others along the northern coast. I would also add, again, because people seem to be focused only on the persistent oils, that this is not a ban on non-persistent oils. I would recommend that my colleague check the schedule in Bill C-48 to find out which products are banned. He will also realize that certain products are not banned and can be exported by tanker from the north coast.

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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NDP

Robert Aubin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Robert Aubin (Trois-Rivières, NDP)

Madam Speaker, the environment is the NDP's priority. We do not have a top priority. We have just one priority.

What the NDP knows, but the Liberals are slow to understand, is that in order to balance the economy and the environment, we also need to transform the economy. If we truly want to talk about a transition, we will eventually have to stop investing in fossil fuels and invest elsewhere.

Does the minister agree that it is time to transform the economy so that we can meet our environmental targets?

Topic:   Government Orders
Subtopic:   Oil Tanker Moratorium Act
Sub-subtopic:   Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned
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June 18, 2019