June 16, 1993

LIB

Fred J. Mifflin

Liberal

Mr. Fred J. Mifflin (Bonavista-Trinity-Conception):

Madam Speaker, the disturbing thing about this is that these racist members have been told to keep a low profile. They do not attend meetings and they keep out of sight so they are very hard to recognize.

There is evidence that a well organized group is infiltrating the Canadian forces throughout Canada. Civilians are being threatened by these groups. They are afraid to even speak to the authorities for fear of repercussion. The base military police have completed an investigation but the base commander will not make the information public.

Will the government undertake to make public the investigation findings to expose this cancerous element of Canadian society serving undercover in the Canadian forces, of which there is plenty of evidence?

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Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, with due respect, I wish the retired animal-admiral-

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An hon. member:

Party animal.

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Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

-the retired admiral would bring forward his evidence.

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An hon. member:

There was a television program on it.

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Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

I saw the television program and that is an example of the kind of journalism I will not miss when I leave this place.

He just suggested that these individuals were told to keep a low profile. By whom? Is the implication that the military told them to keep a low profile? Of course not. If the military discovered them it would kick them out.

What is the hon. member suggesting beyond what is in place now? The regulations are in place. When this type of behaviour is discovered the individuals are dealt with. The policies are there to try to prevent to the extent humanly possible these types of individuals getting into the Canadian Armed Forces because they are not needed, not required and not wanted.

When they are discovered there and discovered to be acting in an improper manner, belonging to these groups and evidencing behaviour that everybody recognizes is improper, they are dealt with. The Canadian Armed Forces are in my view the finest military establishment in the world and I have every confidence in them.

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Some hon. members:

Hear, hear.

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THE ECONOMY

NDP

Audrey Marlene McLaughlin

New Democratic Party

Hon. Audrey McLaughlin (Yukon):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Prime Minister. Clearly today we have wished the Prime Minister well, but sadly I am not sure the country has fared so well.

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Canadians today, after nine years of Conservative government, will be asking themselves several questions. Are we better off in terms of health care? Do we have a better educational system? Do we have fewer unemployed? Do we have less poverty? The answer to all those questions is no. Do we have a higher debt? The answer to that question is yes.

While there will be an election soon and we will hear many promises, there is still an opportunity for this Prime Minister to make some changes now.

Will the Prime Minister commit to not proceeding further with the NAFTA bill, the trade bill between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, so Canadians can have their say during a federal election? Will his government give Canadians back some hope and bring forward a real plan to get Canadians back working?

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Martin Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister):

Madam Speaker, I urge my hon. friend to read a speech made yesterday in Washington by the premier of Ontario, the Hon. Bob Rae. In a very effective and impressive speech he indicated that matters such as productivity and economic growth would drive recoveries and that his government had learned that we cannot borrow and spend our way to prosperity, that we must control costs and generate true growth in the private sector. This is exactly what we are trying to do.

I urge my hon. friend in her own self-interest because I am out of here now. I am not a politician. I am a statesman so I am trying to help her. I say with affection for her to read Bob Rae's speech. I think she will find upon reflection good cause to repudiate many of the policies that her party, not her, has foisted upon her from the thirties and the forties.

We are now in the nineties. It is time to understand that true growth can only be generated through the private sector and a re-energized country. That is what we have done.

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Audrey Marlene McLaughlin

New Democratic Party

Hon. Audrey McLaughlin (Yukon):

Madam Speaker, it is difficult, even impossible, for the Prime Minister to defend his government. He refused to answer questions on Canada's present situation, but it was this government's responsibility to set policies. We have 1.5 million unemployed people, 2.2 million on welfare and 4.2 million poor people here in Canada. All these people do

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not need rhetoric, they need jobs. It is because of the government that we have such a disaster here in Canada. They need a fundamental change.

Does the Prime Minister really believe that he and his Quebec caucus can hope to defend an economic policy which has put almost half a million Quebecers out of work?

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Martin Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister):

Madam Speaker, I would be very interested to know what my friend considers to be the criteria of success for the economy of a large industrialized country like Canada. Does she believe that the inflation rate is important? I submit to her that the inflation rate in Canada today is the lowest in 30 years. Does she believe that interest rates are important? They are at their lowest level in 20 years. Does she believe that the economic growth rate is important? The rate of economic growth and the rate of employment growth in Canada are the highest of all the G-7 countries, of all the large industrialized countries in the world.

Of course, we have just been through a difficult recession, it is true. We see the effects all over and we deplore them. People are facing the same realities now in France, England or Germany. It is like that almost everywhere. But Canada is coming out of this recession strengthened and greater, with a tremendous capacity to generate lasting new prosperity for our nation's young people. I am not saying that it is perfect, but the most important elements of an economy are found in Canada, number one in the world.

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Audrey Marlene McLaughlin

New Democratic Party

Hon. Audrey McLaughlin (Yukon):

Madam Speaker, I am shocked the Prime Minister in leaving office would not want to recognize the real pain across the country from coast to coast to coast of unemployment and of poverty which has radically increased during the last nine years. There is great pain across the country. The Prime Minister is leaving this government and leaving Canada with the highest number of unemployed ever in the history of Canada and the highest debt ever in the history of Canada.

I said earlier that the Prime Minister does have one last chance to do something. Will he not take advantage of the announcement of the minister of trade that he is not going to run in the next election, that he is going to

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retire, and retire the disastrous North American free trade deal along with the trade minister?

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PC

Martin Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister):

Madam Speaker, in his quite remarkable speech delivered yesterday in Washington, Premier Rae indicated that his government realized it could not isolate itself from the currents of international affairs and from the trading, economic and fiscal responsibilities that exist in North America.

I hope I am not being presumptuous; my mother tells me presumption is still a sin, but as a result of that I expect an early endorsement of NAFTA from the Government of Ontario.

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PC

Martin Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Mulroney:

I hope I did not offend my hon. friend, but I want to tell her this. If you are opposed to NAFTA, you are opposed to free trade. Audrey, you know what happened in that election. If you are opposed to NAFTA you are trying to roll back progress. You are trying to take Canada back to the protectionism of the thirties, the forties and the fifties.

We favour a modem, vigorous outgoing approach that will generate new wealth and new jobs for all young Canadians.

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LIB

Shirley Maheu

Liberal

Mrs. Shirley Maheu (Saint-Laurent-Cartierville):

Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Defence. I have in my hand a copy of a letter from B'nai Brith to the minister, dated May 6, asking what she intended to do to eliminate racism in the Armed Forces. So far, this letter has not been answered. Why is the minister refusing to look into this matter? Why is she neglecting her duty as minister?

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Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, of course the minister has not refused to deal with it. As for the letter, I suggest to the hon. member had it been given to Canada Post it would have been delivered and answered by now. It must have been sent some other way.

In answer to her colleagues and her seatmate, I have explained the policies of the Canadian Armed Forces are clear. They are there. It is unacceptable for members of the Armed Forces to exhibit, show, demonstrate or act in a way that is racist or white supremacist. A number of other activities are prohibited as well. That comes with the privilege of wearing the uniform of the military of Canada.

The policies are in place and are being implemented. That does not mean incidents are not going to happen any more than it means, as I said earlier, that just because there are speeding laws there are not going to be speeders from time to time.

The reality is that policies are in place. They are being implemented by a very professional Canadian Armed Forces and there is no reason for the public to be overly concerned.

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LIB

Shirley Maheu

Liberal

Mrs. Shirley Maheu (Saint-Laurent-Cartierville):

Madam Speaker, this is no laughing matter and it has nothing to do with Canada Post. On behalf of all Canadians who are upset and disturbed about racism, I would like the Prime Minister to answer this question, please.

A year ago already, a defence department investigation in British Columbia revealed that neo-Nazi groups had infiltrated our military. This government's inaction is totally unacceptable. When will the minister launch a public inquiry on neo-Nazi infiltration of the Armed Forces? Through her negligence, will she allow these undesirables to receive military training at our taxpayers' expense?

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Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, the hon. member keeps making the false accusation that nothing was done. There were five individuals involved. They were dealt with. Two are no longer with the Armed Forces. Three were counselled. The matter was dealt with. I wonder why the hon. member feels it is reasonable to keep suggesting nothing was done when something was done.

An accusation has been made by a white supremacist on television that there are others. I suggested to her seatmate as I suggest to her: Provide some proof and I

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guarantee the Canadian Armed Forces will follow up that evidence and take the necessary action.

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