June 15, 1993

EDUCATION

NDP

Howard Douglas McCurdy

New Democratic Party

Mr. Howard McCurdy (Windsor-St. Clair):

Madam Speaker, why does the Secretary of State have a national advisory group on student financial assistance? It is a committee that has been completely ignored by her. Alarmed by new financial arrangements with the banks, by lack of information on new needs assessment rules, by new minimum course loads, by effects on part-time students and by implications to accessibility and affordability of government plans, the group took the unprecedented step of calling its own meeting only to be told that the department's plan still cannot be revealed.

A year ago the Council of Ministers of Education also criticized the government's inaction and lack of consultation. The advisory group has demanded a meeting with the Secretary of State to end the impasse for the benefit of students.

She should get off of her duff and be there. Not to do so would be inexcusable.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   EDUCATION
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THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY

BQ

Nic Leblanc (Bloc Québécois Caucus Chair)

Bloc Québécois

Mr. Nic Leblanc (Longueuil):

Madam Speaker, the Conservatives put on a terrific show last Friday to commemorate their great successes, and managed to delude themselves and raise false hopes among the Canadian public. In 1984, the Conservatives had three main goals: national reconciliation, which failed twice- Meech and Charlottetown; decentralization of powers- in Charlottetown, it was proposed that all powers be given to Ottawa, with some delegation to the provinces: another failure; the national debt was $180 billion, and today it is $565 billion: failure number three. This proves the system is not working and should be changed as soon as possible.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

FEDERAL ELECTION

LIB

Sheila Maureen Copps

Liberal

Ms. Sheila Copps (Hamilton East):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Acting Prime Minister.

During her campaign for the leadership of the Conservative Party, the outgoing minister of defence and the Prime Minister elect said she would call an election sooner rather than later.

The outgoing Prime Minister said just three weeks ago that a Prime Minister that has not been elected is, and I quote, "unacceptable". In 1984 he also said that a government in its fifth year has no mandate.

Last weekend 3,000 Conservatives unanimously endorsed the economic direction of the Michael WUson-Brian Mulroney years.

My question for the Prime Minister is: When are they going to give 27 million Canadians a chance to have their say about this government's devastating economic policies?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Finance; Vice-President)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance):

Madam Speaker, I am sure that an election will occur at an appropriate time.

What I have noticed again across the way are some nervous Nellies and some cry-babies and so we have to watch that for a while.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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LIB

Sheila Maureen Copps

Liberal

Ms. Sheila Copps (Hamilton East):

Madam Speaker, the only nervous Nellies are the people on the opposite side of the House who do not have the guts to call an election.

Three weeks ago, the Prime Minister said it was unacceptable for a minister who had not been elected to fail to seek and obtain the confidence of Canadians. We know that last weekend the machine selected their candidate. When will the government gave Canadians a chance to do likewise?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Finance; Vice-President)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance):

Madam Speaker, I did not call the Liberal members nervous Nellies. It was her own leader

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who called the members of the Liberal Party nervous Nellies. He called a few of them cry-babies as well.

As the hon. member knows there is a constitutional requirement to hold an election and an election will be held in 1993.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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LIB

Sheila Maureen Copps

Liberal

Ms. Sheila Copps (Hamilton East):

Madam Speaker, my question is once again for the Deputy Prime Minister.

Three weeks ago his colleague the outgoing Prime Minister said, that it was unacceptable that a Prime Minister that has not obtained the confidence of the people would move on issues like appointments.

I would like to ask the Deputy Prime Minister whether he still shares the view expressed by his own colleague three weeks ago that a Prime Minister who has not received a mandate from the people does not have the moral right to govern.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Finance; Vice-President)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance):

Madam Speaker, at least the last vote that was taken in this House clearly demonstrates that the Prime Minister and this government have the confidence of this Chamber and that is reflective of the confidence that is held and transferred to the people who represent Canadians from coast to coast.

Very clearly the Prime Minister and this government continue to have the confidence of the House. He and this government have a responsibility to discharge and the new leader elect will have a responsibility to discharge including that of calling an election. I hope the hon. member will be ready.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   FEDERAL ELECTION
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GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS

LIB

Don Boudria (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Don Boudria (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell):

Madam Speaker, I am wondering whether the Deputy Prime Minister will be running.

My question is for the Acting Prime Minister. Canadians all know the Prime Minister's profound indignation to patronage as witnessed in 1984 when he qualified political appointments as "a fraud, a deceit and a sham".

Now that the Prime Minister is no longer the leader of his party and given that this successor has no mandate

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from the people, will the government commit itself today to placing a freeze on all Order in Council appointments until after the next election? If not, why not?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Finance; Vice-President)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance):

Madam Speaker, on November 21, 1988 this party, this Prime Minister and this government were given a mandate for five years. We have gone through a leadership change and when that transition takes places and at an appropriate time an election will be called. I just hope hon. members opposite are ready.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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LIB

Don Boudria (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Don Boudria (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell):

Madam Speaker, with respect the minister has failed to answer the question.

I would like to put the following question to the Deputy Prime Minister and give him another chance to answer the specific question. Since Christmas the Prime Minister has made more than 600 Order in Council appointments to various positions, including Rinaldo, the hairdresser; the hairdresser's wife; the children's nanny; the speech writer; the barman at the Ritz, and now, the party's fundraiser. Canadians have had enough. They want to know whether the Deputy Prime Minister is prepared to tell us today they will put a freeze on all Order in Council appointments, effective immediately, until the next election. If not, why not?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, I think what Canadians have had enough of is the hon. member slandering Canadians. He seems to feel, as he keeps repeating, that a successful small businessman is an unfit director of the Federal Business Development Bank and a person with a masters in public administration from Harvard is unfit to serve on the Standards Council.

I wonder how he explains as he rationalizes and apologizes for the fact that on March 26, 1979, the day the writ was issued, the Trudeau government made 91 appointments and continued to make appointments all throughout the election period. The hon. member should consider that before he gets indignant.

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Oral Questions RAIL TRANSPORTATION

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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NDP

Iain Francis Angus (Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Iain Angus (Thunder Bay-Atikokan):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transport.

Last Monday the National Transportation Agency began hearings in Sydney into the sale of the Truro to Sydney line. Last Friday CN and CP started the legal process to consolidate the operations in the Ottawa valley including the abandonment of one of the two main lines. Yesterday in Saint John the NTA began the process of hearing CP's application to get out of Atlantic Canada entirely.

All of these are going forward in the absence of a national transportation policy and at the veiy least in the absence of a national rail network having been decided upon. Is the Minister of Transport now prepared to have a moratorium on the National Transportation Agency so that no further main line applications will be heard until such time as a national rail network has been established?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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PC

Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport):

Madam Speaker, both railway companies have been experiencing many losses over the last few years. I think we should commend both railway companies for having addressed the system to rationalize their operations in order to make sure that there will be rail transportation over the years.

They are utilizing the disposition of the legislation and addressing themselves to the NTA to have the right to abandonment. The NTA is hearing presentations like the member has made. I think it is a very democratic process. At the end of the day it will make the decision. Even when it makes the decision it is not abandonment immediately. It has to be reviewed by the Department of Transport, so I think the process is following its due course.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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NDP

Iain Francis Angus (Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Iain Angus (Thunder Bay-Atikokan):

Madam Speaker, a supplementary. When Parliament passed the National Transportation Act in 1987 Parliament did not consider that the act it was passing was dealing with the question of main line abandonments. In fact the government concurred because since then the government has not used its power in section 159(3) of the act to

prescribe regulations describing how main line abandonments should occur.

I want to again ask the minister: In the absence of a clear government policy and the fact that the railways are in financial trouble, although at the same time the reality is that they are rolling up the tracks faster than they can repair them, will the minister issue a moratorium not forever, but just until such time as a national rail network has been established? He knows his own committee has been working on it for 18 months now. Will he put in place a moratorium and set a deadline to get it done?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS
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