June 1, 1993

LIB

Peter Andrew Stewart Milliken

Liberal

Mr. Peter Milliken (Kingston and the Islands):

Madam Speaker, as this tired, old government drones on toward an overdue election the list of promoted hacks and bagmen grows ever longer, and so does the odour of nepotism, patronage and pay-offs.

In recent days we have witnessed an orgy of Tory patronage that defies imagination. Just this morning the defence minister's Toronto fund raiser got appointed to the board of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited for three years. The Minister of National Defence and the Minister of the Environment like to say they do not know about this kind of Tory patronage, but both of them were there at the cabinet table agreeing to this and other such appointments, like those for the Prime Minister's barber, the barber's wife and the baby-sitter.

In 1984 the Prime Minister liked to say that leaders have an option on patronage but that was before the election. The people of Canada have an option too and on election day they will exercise this option by giving the chop to the hon. members opposite and their colleagues.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   PATRONAGE
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S. O. 31 LOBBYISTS

PC

Felix Holtmann

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Felix Holtmann (Portage-Interlake):

Madam Speaker, I was honoured to present to this House a report, A Blueprint for Transparency, earlier today. Simply put, this committee report, if accepted, would bring professional lobbying activity from the grey and dark areas into the daylight.

For any new Prime Minister and future government not to accept these recommendations is to suggest that the status quo is satisfactory. Most Canadians want more integrity from their elected officials and much more openness about who and how policy and procurement have been influenced.

I urge the minister to support the recommendations of this committee which all Canadians now demand.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   S. O. 31 LOBBYISTS
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THE SENATE

REF

Deborah C. Grey

Reform

Miss Deborah Grey (Beaver River):

Madam Speaker, I would like to make a statement regarding the recent patronage Senate appointments. The Prime Minister has chosen to help his friends into the trough while the getting is good.

The decision to appoint yet another group of senators, with several more appointments to come, for nothing more than reasons of patronage is an obscene affront to the Canadian people and to democracy. It just goes to show the extent to which the Tories are really concerned about parliamentary reform and the so-called politics of inclusion. What a lot of bunk.

Even more alarming, however, is the blatant hypocrisy shown by the members to my right, the Liberals. They somehow managed to criticize the Prime Minister while at the same time accepting his offer of Senate appointments. Do they think the Canadian people are stupid? It would appear so. This Prime Minister, when he is done, will have appointed more than half of the entire Senate. Canadians, especially those in Beaver River, continue to report to this Parliament: Triple-E or bust.

June 1, 1993

Oral Questions CANADA PENSION PLAN

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   THE SENATE
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Hon. Chas. L. Caccia@Davenport

Madam Speaker, an important initiative is under way in Toronto by way of petitions to the Minister of National Health and Welfare to improve the Canada Pension Plan.

At present people are not eligible to receive Canada Pension Plan disability when there are major interruptions to CPP contributions. When people are on workers' compensation they cannot make contributions to their CPP and therefore this period should not be considered a contributory period by the Canada Pension Plan. Having been on workers' compensation should not disqualify a person from Canada Pension Plan disability if another tragedy strikes such as cancer or a heart attack.

The Canada Pension Plan should therefore be amended so that a period of non-contribution be considered a neutral period that would not affect the qualifying requirements for a disability pension. We commend the petitioners and bring it to the attention of the minister for prompt action.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   THE SENATE
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YUGOSLAVIA

NDP

William Alexander (Bill) Blaikie (N.D.P. Deputy House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg TVanscona):

Madam Speaker, I am sure all of us continue to be concerned about the ethnic conflict and the violence in the former Yugoslavia.

Today I call particular attention to the plight of ethnic Hungarians in the former Yugoslavia. Like many members who may also have been in receipt of a letter from the Hungarian Human Rights Council, it seems that this is one group whose interests and concerns have been forgotten in the general debate about what is going on in former Yugoslavia.

I call on the government, in its deliberations with respect to the conflict in that former country, to pay attention to the needs of ethnic Hungarians in the difficult situation they find themselves in.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   YUGOSLAVIA
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VIOLENCE

PC

Vincent Della Noce (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Multiculturalism and Citizenship; Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Vincent Della Noce (Laval-Est):

Madam Speaker, after the XS magazine of Florida and its racist attacks

against Quebecers and dinosaur Don Cherry's attitudes, today we have a new comic book called Justice League Task Force from the United States which makes vicious attacks against Quebecers:

- took nearly a month to track them to Montreal, French

separatists, radicals, who want Quebec to secede from Canada.

Murdering these people is "politically correct murder".

I cannot believe our children will read this junk on violence. There is no murder that is politically correct and every Canadian should know that.

I hope the Minister of Communications or others will order that this magazine be banned immediately from Canada, removed from all stores and kept away from our children.

Furthermore I think it is particularly unfortunate that this comic book delivered in a box, was printed in Canada, because it says: Imprimerie Quebecor, Montreal, Ronalds.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   VIOLENCE
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

NATIONAL DEFENCE

LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Leader of the Opposition):

Madam Speaker, I would have liked to ask a question of the President of the Treasury Board or the Minister of Finance, but I will direct it to the Acting Prime Minister.

As everyone knows I have been travelling by bus across Canada meeting Canadians to find out their real problems and to discuss their concerns. One thing that is clear in the minds of Canadians is that the government has absolutely the wrong priorities.

A report in the paper this morning says that the government is spending a lot of money to convert a National Defence airbus into a flying Taj Mahal for the Prime Minister, complete with an executive board-room, a master bedroom, a luxurious bathroom and shower.

I would like to know from the Acting Prime Minister which minister signed the request to Treasury Board for such stupid expenditures and why Treasury Board accepted the request.

June 1, 1993

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, as everybody in the House knows, the ancient fleet of 707s was replaced by the purchase of five A-310 airbuses. The 707s could no longer legally fly in many of the world's airports because of noise and environmental considerations. Indeed some of the press wondered about their safety although they were safe.

The A-310s were purchased. They need to be modified to meet Canadian National Defence standards. The modifications are to provide for cargo and passengers. One particular aircraft is being outfitted with a VIP section to transport the Queen, the Governor General and the Prime Minister. Ninety per cent of the time the aircraft will be used for-

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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Some hon. members:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

Apparently hon. members are not interested in the answer; they keep heckling from the other side. Ninety per cent of the time the aircraft will be used for transporting cargo and DND personnel. Ten per cent of the time it will be used for special occasions for the Prime Minister, the Governor General and Her Majesty. It is not an Air Force One or a Taj Mahal at question here.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Leader of the Opposition):

Madam Speaker, the explanation of the minister is absolutely unbelievable. We all know the President of the United States has Air Force One. Now the government is buying a plane that will be called air farce one to satisfy the ego of the Prime Minister.

If this aeroplane is to be used for that, why not cancel it right away when there are people in Canada who are starving? There is no need for such a plane. These planes were bought to transport troops, not to have the Prime Minister flying at 35,000 feet, soaking himself in a bath. It is the taxpayer who has been soaked.

Will the government come to its senses and cancel this stupid extravagant expenditure?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition was making wild, ridiculous charges. In particular he said this was because of the ego of the Prime Minister. I might remind him

Oral Questions

that the Prime Minister will be stepping down in about three or four weeks and the plane will not be finished for a few months. To suggest this is being called for by the Prime Minister to satisfy his desire is ludicrous. To suggest this is an Air Force One is ludicrous.

Let me repeat part of my first answer. His colleagues were heckling and perhaps he did not hear it. Ninety per cent of the time this plane will be used for transporting DND personnel and/or cargo. It has an executive component.

I am sure the hon. Leader of the Opposition recalls the executive layout in the 707s. This is an update from that, no question, but it is the same kind of thing.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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LIB

Joseph Jacques Jean Chrétien (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Chretien (Leader of the Opposition):

The

minister who says it is not for the present Prime Minister but for the next Prime Minister may be sure it must have been ordered by the Minister of National Defence, who hopes to be that next Prime Minister.

I went around the east end of Montreal on Saturday and saw all the poverty in that area. I think it is high time this government set an example and cancelled this frivolous project.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of State (Without Portfolio); Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Harvie Andre (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons):

Madam Speaker, the hon. member knows full well that we have a set of social net programs second to none. Yes, there is poverty. The growth in the economy that has just been announced and the kind of increases we are to see in the country will give us a chance to address those poverty questions.

To make some relationship between that and the fact that DND has five aircraft for transporting military personnel around the country, for transporting its cargo and so on, and that one of them has a small portion of the plane outfitted for the comfort of the Queen or the Governor General is somehow hurting the poor in Montreal, is beneath the dignity of a so-called responsible leader.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
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June 1, 1993