May 31, 1993

PC

John Horton McDermid (Minister of State (Finance and Privatization))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John McDermid (Minister of State (Finance and Privatization)):

Madam Speaker, the New Democratic Party has opposed every cost cutting measure that this government has taken, every single one.

Not only have the NDP opposed them but it wants the government to spend additional moneys over and above those we have cut on new programs, new grandiose schemes and so on and so forth. This country cannot afford it.

If the NDP took a look at itself and its policies and where it is in the eyes of the Canadian people today, I think it would understand it is on the wrong track.

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Subtopic:   POVERTY
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AIRLINE INDUSTRY

LIB

John Paul Manley

Liberal

Mr. John Manley (Ottawa South):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transport.

On Friday the Deputy Prime Minister would not commit the government to a prompt review of the decision of the National Transportation Agency regarding the Canadian Airlines/American Airlines transaction, hiding behind the law and the process.

May 31, 1993

This minister will know that under section 258 of the National Transportation Act that government has an obligation to review the transaction on public interest grounds.

Why will the government not state promptly whether or not it agrees with the decision of the National Transportation Agency so that this industry can begin to return to normal?

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Subtopic:   AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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PC

Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport):

Madam Speaker, the NTA has reviewed the transaction that was proposed to it by AMR and PWA. It tabled its report last Thursday late in the afternoon. We are examining the contents of this report and will advise in due course.

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Subtopic:   AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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LIB

John Paul Manley

Liberal

Mr. John Manley (Ottawa South):

Madam Speaker, the Minister of Transport cannot keep hiding behind the law and the process. Neither the public, Air Canada, Canadian International or Gemini stand to benefit from this gradual deterioration. As a result of the minister's failure to take decisive action, the situation is going from bad to worse. Will the minister agree it is necessary to moderate competition before the industry tears itself apart?

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Subtopic:   AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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PC

Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Jean Corbeil (Minister of Transport):

Madam Speaker, 1 think the hon. member for Ottawa South is confusing the issue. In its report submitted to us last Thursday, the National Transportation Agency decided to approve the transaction between PWA and AMR. They examined eight different aspects of the transaction and concluded they would not disallow it.

As far as the industry's problems are concerned, our two major carriers have shown in recent testimony that they know perfectly well their problems are caused by overcapacity. They have the means to reduce this overcapacity, and they can do so at any time.

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Subtopic:   AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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THE ENVIRONMENT

LIB

David Charles Dingwall

Liberal

Mr. David Dingwall (Cape Breton -East Richmond):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Acting Prime Minister.

Oral Questions

On two occasions last week members of my caucus put questions to the government concerning the decision by the Minister of the Environment to give $200,000 in untendered contracts to Mr. David Small who is also the campaign manager for the leadership bid of the Minister of the Environment. These contracts violated Treasury Board rules requiring that all contracts of more than $50,000 go to public tender.

Why did the minister split almost $200,000 in contracts into amounts of less than $50,000 when contract splitting is specifically prohibited by Treasury Board rules?

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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PC

Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification; Minister responsible for the Status of Women; Minister of State (Environment))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification and Minister of State (Environment) and Minister Responsible for the Status of Women):

Madam Speaker, I will elaborate on my answers on this last week. When Mr. Small was first brought on by the department to undertake his work for the Rio conference it was anticipated that his first task would be of the order of $50,000.

The work obviously grew from that point and Mr. Small became the appropriate person to carry on after the UNCED conference in terms of a follow up. He was asked if he would continue on the work. Indeed under Treasury Board guidelines that is possible if it is the only person, the appropriate person, to carry on the work that is within those guidelines. That work was completed and Mr. Small did an excellent job on behalf of the Government of Canada.

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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LIB

David Charles Dingwall

Liberal

Mr. David Dingwall (Cape Breton -East Richmond):

Madam Speaker, my supplementary question is for the same minister.

Surely the minister is aware of the Treasury Board guidelines which read: "Contracting authorities should not split contracts or contract amendments in order to avoid obtaining the approval required by statute".

I direct my question to the minister responding. Why were contracts given to David Small deliberately split in direct violation of Treasury Board rules? Why did the Minister of the Environment knowingly violate the regulations of his own government in order to favour his campaign manager?

May 31, 1993

Oral Questions

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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PC

Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification; Minister responsible for the Status of Women; Minister of State (Environment))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification and Minister of State (Environment) and Minister Responsible for the Status of Women):

Madam Speaker, I would ask my hon. colleague to perhaps listen carefully to the explanation.

When Mr. Small was originally contracted by the Department of the Environment-not the minister, by the department-to undertake the initial work for Rio it was felt this would be approximately $50,000. He undertook the beginning work. It was recognized that further work was required following the UNCED conference which was in fact in accordance with Treasury Board guidelines which indicated that in some cases it is not possible, practical or cost effective to seek bids. Certain exceptions are allowed, obviously in cases of emergencies, where it is not in the public interest or where only one person can do the work.

I am sure my hon. colleague would agree that a person who has developed and implemented a plan for the UNCED is the appropriate person to carry on afterward with the work of the implementation of that plan. That is what Mr. Small has done. He has done it effectively on behalf of the Government of Canada, the Department of the Environment, and I applaud his efforts in doing so.

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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REDRESS

NDP

Margaret Anne Mitchell

New Democratic Party

Ms. Margaret Mitchell (Vancouver East):

Madam Speaker, we join with all colleagues in the House in strongly condemning the racial violence that resulted from the Heritage Front event on Sunday evening. We ask the government to strengthen the Criminal Code to deter future hate related activities.

In the absence of the Prime Minister, my question is for the Minister of Multiculturalism. It concerns redress for Canada's racist legislation which imposed a head tax and an exclusion act on Chinese Canadians. Since elderly claimants after waiting nine years have totally rejected the government's redress offer and consider it an insult, particularly a pre-election medal to compensate lor years of suffering, will the minister meet with representatives of these elderly claimants and engage in good faith bargaining to find a fair compromise to truly redress the suffering of these elderly pioneers of which there are many?

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Subtopic:   REDRESS
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PC

Gérard (Gerry) Weiner (Minister of Multiculturalism and Citizenship)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gerry Weiner (Minister of Multiculturalism and Citizenship):

Madam Speaker, I have indeed brought back and appraised the government of the responses that

I have received from the six communities that I had the privilege to meet and carry on conversations with.

I tried to be helpful wherever I could. The matter is now being examined very carefully by the government. I hope to be able to report back as soon as I have a further piece of information from the people I have met.

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Subtopic:   REDRESS
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NDP

Margaret Anne Mitchell

New Democratic Party

Ms. Margaret Mitchell (Vancouver East):

Madam Speaker, I know the minister is sincere, but surely the Minister of Multiculturalism is there to be a strong advocate for people who have suffered this kind of discrimination over the years not just to appraise the government.

My supplementary question is for the same minister. Since the Italian and Ukrainian Canadians who suffered unjust wartime internment also have refused the government's redress package, will the government also negotiate individually, and I say negotiate not just consult, a compromise redress settlement with these groups rather than attempt to impose a clearly unacceptable package at the 11th hour before an election?

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Subtopic:   REDRESS
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PC

Gérard (Gerry) Weiner (Minister of Multiculturalism and Citizenship)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gerry Weiner (Minister of Multiculturalism and Citizenship):

Madam Speaker, I have carefully brought back the comments that were made to me by the representatives of the communities that I have met. I have always carried on those discussions in a very clear and open manner. I had the privilege of meeting many of the same people during the CEC deliberations both yesterday at the president's meeting and again today at the parliamentary day.

I can assure the hon. member that their concerns and the manner in which they brought them forward are very much appreciated and are being examined very carefully right now.

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Subtopic:   REDRESS
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THE ENVIRONMENT

LIB

Don Boudria (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Don Boudria (Glengarry-Prescott -Russell):

Madam Speaker, my question is also for the Acting Prime Minister.

On May 21 the Minister of the Environment claimed that the work oi Mr. David Small as a communications adviser and his work as a campaign manager did not overlap. The minister said: "There is no issue here". However, Mr. Small conceded over the weekend that he held both positions concurrently.

May 31, 1993

How can the government then justify the actions of the Minister of the Environment who rewarded his leadership campaign manager with taxpayers' money? Does the Acting Prime Minister still think that there is "no problem here"?

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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PC

Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification; Minister responsible for the Status of Women; Minister of State (Environment))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Mary Collins (Minister of Western Economic Diversification and Minister of State (Environment) and Minister Responsible for the Status of Women):

Madam Speaker, I am sure my hon. colleague or members of his caucus have people who have worked with them over a period of time who on their own time undertook other activities whether related to their past leadership convention or other kinds of political activities.

People employed by the government on a contract basis are quite free to participate in other kinds of political activity after they have fulfilled the requirements of their contract. I assume that is what Mr. Small has done.

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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LIB

Don Boudria (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Don Boudria (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell):

Madam Speaker, assume my eye. What we have here is the minister who said one thing and Mr. Small who said something that was directly opposite.

Canadians have a right to know which of the two, if either, is the truth. That is what is at stake.

I would like to ask the minister this: Can she finally tell us the truth? Did Mr. Small work for the leadership candidate at the same time as he held a government contract, yes or no? That is all we want to know.

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Subtopic:   THE ENVIRONMENT
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May 31, 1993