September 16, 1992

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Some hon. members:

Agreed.

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Subtopic:   AN ACT TO INCORPORATE THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF CANADA MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. members:

No.

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PC

Charles Deblois (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Progressive Conservative

The Acting Speaker (Mr. DeBIois):

There is not unanimous consent.

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LIB

Peter Andrew Stewart Milliken (Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Milliken:

Mr. Speaker, we are quite prepared to accommodate and tiy to pass the bill through all stages, but I am not prepared to have a limit on debate at eight o'clock, which is what that motion implied.

We are quite prepared to spend the time in private members' hour today and extend the time of the sitting of the House if necessary in order to accommodate the hon. member, but if his speech goes 20 minutes and then there is a 10-minute speech from one member of the opposition and other members do not get an opportunity to speak before the bill is put through all stages, we are not prepared to agree to that. I do not think that was the agreement that was discussed.

We are prepared to extend the time of private members' hour until 8.30 p.m. if necessary and seek to see that the bill is approved in all stages during that time. I suggest the hon. member make his speech. If at eight o'clock it has not gone through all stages we will then give our unanimous consent to extend the sitting for the purpose of completing the bill and we will consent to have it go to a Committee of the Whole.

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Subtopic:   AN ACT TO INCORPORATE THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF CANADA MEASURE TO AMEND
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NDP

Nelson Andrew Riis (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Riis:

Mr. Speaker, I certainly want to indicate that we support the general thrust of the motion by my hon. friend. It is our intention that this bill be completed through all stages as expeditiously as possible.

I believe that the caution that my hon. friend from Kingston and the Islands suggests is good. We also want to allow ample time for members to make comments if they so wish.

As far as the New Democratic Party is concerned we support the bill. We support it enthusiastically and want to see it pass through all stages before we recess today.

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Subtopic:   AN ACT TO INCORPORATE THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF CANADA MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

James (Jim) Stewart Edwards (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Edwards:

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the spirit of this discussion. I think that there would be an inclination on all sides to let the bill have a thorough examination tonight.

I just wanted to ascertain whether my colleagues opposite were privy to the discussion, I believe they may have been privy to the discussion, from which there was an understanding to have two items dealt with tonight, the other being the change in name of my friend's constituency of Timiskaming.

If that is in order then I think you would find that there would be consent for private members' hour to deal with those two items in all stages without there being an absolute and final limit on it. We will see how the debate progresses without it terminating at 8 p.m.

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Subtopic:   AN ACT TO INCORPORATE THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF CANADA MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. members:

Agreed.

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PC

Charles Deblois (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Progressive Conservative

The Acting Speaker (Mr. DeBIois):

May I suggest to the parliamentary secretary that he draft a proper motion.

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PC

James (Jim) Stewart Edwards (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Edwards:

It will not be necessary.

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PC

Charles Deblois (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Progressive Conservative

The Acting Speaker (Mr. DeBIois):

Then the sponsor of the bill, the hon. member for Oxford, has the floor. If during this debate, some developments should occur, the Chair will welcome any suggestion to speed up the review of the legislation, if the hon. members so wish.

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PC

Bruce Halliday

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Halliday:

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank colleagues opposite for their willingness to co-operate in this and I can assure them my remarks will be fairly brief.

The proposed act under consideration concerns certain modifications to the act of incorporation of the Royal Society of Canada found in Victoria, chapter 46. The Royal Society of Canada was founded in 1882 by the Governor General of Canada the Right Hon. the Marquess of Lome and was incorporated by the Parliament of Canada in May 1883. Its object is to promote learning

and research in the arts and sciences in all parts of Canada.

The founding members were led by Sir William Dawson, principal of McGill University and first president of the society and the Hon. P. J. O. Chauveau, former premier of Quebec and the society's second president. Despite sentiments that the formation of such a body was premature, these men saw the need for a body devoted to encouraging the growth of scholarship and research in the newly formed nation. At that time, active scholars and researchers were few in number and widely scattered largely across central and eastern Canada. The new society provided a venue for the presentation of their work and an opportunity for contacting others with similar professional interests.

In considering the scope of the body, the Marquess of Lome was the decisive influence in ensuring that it represented the full range of existing scholarship including literature, history and the scholarly arts as well as the natural sciences. In this it followed the model of I'Institut de France which incorporates five academies rather than that of the exclusively scientific membership of the Royal Society of London. One of the founders, Mr. Joseph Tasse, remarked that it was a federation of the intellect completing the still young political federation of the provinces.

The society today has been true to the vision of its founders. It now comprises three academies, VAcademie des lettres et des sciences humaines, the Academy of Humanities and Social Science and the Academy of Science, which includes divisions for the applied sciences and engineering as well as the life sciences, physical sciences and earth and space sciences. It continues to be guided by Dawson's original aim of building an organization characterized by: "productiveness exclusive in its membership, but inclusive in that it offers its benefits to all".

Through its 110 years of service to Canada it has elected to membership leading scholars and scientists from all parts of our country representing an ever widening array of fields of learning and research. An unbroken succession of annual meetings has been recorded in its publications which provide a rich source of information about the intellectual growth of Canada.

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The society now gives 17 medals and awards in various fields of endeavour. Some are given for distinguished lifetime achievements, while others are awarded to younger researchers for outstanding work early in their careers. It has expanded its activities in recent decades by holding conferences in many parts of Canada on topics of the day and frequently in co-operation with other organizations. It launches studies into matters of national or global importance and provides advice to government and the public at large on current issues.

It has increasingly sought to bridge academic disciplines and address complex topics by bringing together specialists with different experience and expertise. This approach has distinguished its comprehensive studies of AIDS in Canada, of the safety of nuclear power and of the challenge of global change. This is the hallmark of the society's approach to its ongoing responsibilities for fostering research on the environment in its natural and human dimensions, for raising public awareness of science, for advancing the position of women in academic and professional life and for evaluating the research accomplishments and capabilities of the country.

By these and other demonstrations of its capacity to mobilize its members and call upon the commitment to service that they make upon election, the society has received increasing recognition of its emerging role as a national academy.

Since 1989 it has received growing support from its members, from government and increasingly from the private sector toward the goal of realizing its full potential.

Compared to national academies and the equivalents in other advanced and even some developing countries, the Royal Society of Canada still has far to go in increasing the scope of its responsibilities and activities. In its efforts to achieve further growth, it is found that the act by which it was incorporated in 1883 imposes certain restrictions. The petition now before the House seeks to remove these constraints.

The society requests that the provision in section 1 of the original act which limits the value of the real estate that the society may hold to no more than $4,000 be deleted. This would permit the society to obtain property for its purposes without restriction as to value.

September 16, 1992

Private Members' Business

Clause 2 of the amendment requests that sections 5 and 6 of the original act which concern the continuation of the original bylaws and offices of the society also be deleted as having served their purpose and being no longer relevant. Similarly, it is proposed in clause 3 that section 8 of the original act concerning the competence of members of the society as witnesses in any legal actions undertaken by the society also be removed as being no longer necessary in present day law.

I would like to add that it is my privilege to co-sponsor this bill along with the recently retired and highly respected former senator representing Quebec, the Hon. Arthur Tremblay.

I am therefore honoured to present this bill to the House and I wish to thank all of my colleagues for graciously agreeing to this expeditious process which, I believe, is appropriate in light of the consideration given by the other place.

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LIB

Peter Andrew Stewart Milliken (Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Peter Milliken (Kingston and the Islands):

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to have an opportunity to make a few very brief comments in respect of this bill. I want to say at the outset that the hon. member for Kamloops who has been called out of the House for a few moments wished me to indicate to the House his regret at being unable to be here to make a brief speech as well at this point. He fully supports this bill and the intent of it.

I am also pleased to indicate the support of our party of the procedures the Royal Society of Canada has adopted here to make minor amendments to the law that established it. I am pleased to say that the president of the Royal Society of Canada this year is Mr. John Meisle, a professor of mine at Queen's University and a member of the department of political studies there. He was head of the department when I was a student at Queen's and I enjoyed very much the courses with him that took us to various parts of Canada, particularly the trip to Quebec City and to your own constituency, Mr. Speaker, where we learned something of French Canadian government and politics as the course was called at that time.

This bill seeks to make quite minor amendments to the act as outlined by the hon. member who has just spoken. We concur in them and are pleased to assist in the bill's passage and I trust the bill will receive speedy approval from all sides of the House.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, considered in committee, reported, concurred in, read the third time and passed.


PC

John Alexander Frances MacDougall (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. John A. MacDougall (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):

Mr. Speaker, I think you will find unanimous consent for the following motion:

That, notwithstanding any Standing Order and the usual practices of the House, Bill C-351, an act to change the name of the electoral district of Thniskaming, be now called for second reading and that the House proceed to dispose of the said bill at all stages.

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PC

Charles Deblois (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Progressive Conservative

The Acting Speaker (Mr. DeBlois):

Members have heard the terms of the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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LIB

Peter Andrew Stewart Milliken (Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Milliken:

No, Mr. Speaker, but we would be willing to let the bill be called for second reading. It may be passed in all stages but only by unanimous consent at each stage.

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ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF TIMISKAMING

PC

John Alexander Frances MacDougall (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. John A. MacDougall (Timiskaming) moved

that Bill C-351, an act to change the name of the electoral district of Timiskaming, be read the second time and referred to a legislative committee.

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Subtopic:   ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF TIMISKAMING
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LIB

Peter Andrew Stewart Milliken (Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Milliken:

Mr. Speaker, I think you will find there is unanimous agreement to refer the bill to Committee of the Whole, but I dare say the hon. member will want to give us an explanation of the purpose of the bill at second reading.

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Subtopic:   ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF TIMISKAMING
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Some hon. members:

Agreed.

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September 16, 1992