December 13, 1988

LIB

George Baker

Liberal

Mr. George Baker (Gander-Grand Falls):

Mr. Speaker, the EEC yesterday unilaterally set its own 1989 fishing quotas off the East Coast of Canada 12 times higher than those allowed by the North Atlantic Fisheries Organization. A spokesman for the Government claimed this morning, "There is not enough fish in the entire north Atlantic to satisfy that EEC quota".

Does the Government realize that 84,000 tonnes of the 160,000 tonnes of cod in that unilateral declaration will be from the nose of the Grand Banks where, Mr. Speaker, as you know, a moratorium exists on fishing activity to help rebuild the stocks so that they can come ashore and employ our people in our fish plants?

What does the Government intend to do about this further destruction of our fishing resource by foreign nations?

Hon. Thomas Siddon (Minister of Fisheries and

Oceans): Mr. Speaker, we are delighted to know that the Hon. Member can distinguish the nose from the tail of the Grand Banks.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   EEC NORTH ATLANTIC FISHING QUOTAS
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Some Hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   EEC NORTH ATLANTIC FISHING QUOTAS
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PC

Thomas Edward Siddon (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Siddon:

The Hon. Member raises a very serious issue. It is one that Ministers, provincially and federally, have been wrestling with for the last two years, and which has led to partial results.

December 13, 1988

The point that the Hon. Member raises is the overfishing beyond Canada's economic jurisdiction on the common property stocks of the Grand Banks. That overfishing is being pursued by the European nations, especially Spain and Portugal, contrary to the rules of the International Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Organization which sets the quotas and administers these stocks. Canada deeply regrets this outrageous abuse of these resources.

This very day I am meeting with the Atlantic Fisheries Ministers to decide how we might escalate the initiatives we have set out under a plan to end this flagrant violation of all good conservation principles. We expect to take further actions, over and above those which we have taken to deny port privileges and quotas in Canadian waters, to end this wasteful abuse of our fish resources.

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Subtopic:   FISHERIES
Sub-subtopic:   EEC NORTH ATLANTIC FISHING QUOTAS
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ALCOHOL TARIFFS

LIB

George Baker

Liberal

Mr. George Baker (Gander-Grand Falls):

Mr. Speaker, of course I can distinguish between the nose and the tail. I wish to tell the Hon. Minister that the EEC is pillaging our fishery on the nose of the Grand Banks, and they allow the U.S. to fish unchecked on the tail of the Grand Banks, so we are getting it at both ends.

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Subtopic:   ALCOHOL TARIFFS
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Some Hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   ALCOHOL TARIFFS
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LIB

George Baker

Liberal

Mr. Baker:

I want to ask the Minister the following question. Does the Government not realize that Canada has lost respect internationally because we do not have the will to protect our fishing resources?

Will the Government today instruct the negotiators who are meeting with the EEC this afternoon on wine, beer, and spirits to tell the EEC that we will talk about tariffs on their booze when they cut their quotas on our fish?

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Subtopic:   ALCOHOL TARIFFS
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PC

Thomas Edward Siddon (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Thomas Siddon (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member knows full well the consequences of linking a fisheries management issue with another trade issue.

The Hon. Member also knows full well that the Government has taken strong measures to end the European abuse of our fish stocks within the Canadian 200-mile zone, but the fish stocks in question are beyond Canada's sovereign jurisdiction from a management perspective.

The Hon. Member knows that we have denied port privileges, we have ended over the side sales, and we

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have denied any quotas of any fish in Canadian waters to these wayward European nations, and we will continue to raise the pressure in order to end these very regrettable practices by the European Community.

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Subtopic:   ALCOHOL TARIFFS
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AGRICULTURE

NDP

Victor Fredrich (Vic) Althouse

New Democratic Party

Mr. Vic Althouse (Mackenzie):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Agriculture. The Minister will recall that only 10 days before the election date the Government announced a drought aid program for farmers which was supposed to top up crop insurance by 10 per cent, and cost the Government some $850 million.

Since the Government's delay in making that announcement was supposed to have been in order to make certain that the program would be ready to implement immediately, can the Minister explain why at this date there is still no program, why the drought zones have not been defined, and why the provincial Premiers on the Prairies are now being asked to contribute money to the program, money which was supposed to have already been committed by the federal Government?

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   DROUGHT AID PROGRAM
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Agriculture; Minister responsible for Privatization and Regulatory Affairs; Vice-President; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister, President of the Privy Council and Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, I regret that the Hon. Member takes exception to the fact that we have announced a program to support the farmers in a serious drought situation.

Our record of support for the farmers, whether it was for drought, grasshoppers, depressed prices, you-name-it, has been pretty good; in fact, second to none.

We have made the commitment and we will deliver.

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Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   DROUGHT AID PROGRAM
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GOVERNMENT POLICY

NDP

Victor Fredrich (Vic) Althouse

New Democratic Party

Mr. Vic Althouse (Mackenzie):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is the following. Given that prairie Conservatives who were defeated by the farmers on the Prairies have been stating after their defeat that this means that the region will no longer get any money, can the Minister tell us whether that is in fact his Government's policy? If so, is this the reason why it has not provided the drought program to the dried out prairie farmers as promised during the election?

December 13, 1988

Oral Questions

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT POLICY
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Agriculture; Minister responsible for Privatization and Regulatory Affairs; Vice-President; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister, President of the Privy Council and Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, it is one thing to malign a well-intentioned program during the course of an election campaign, and the NDP are experts at that. It is another thing to malign the program now that the election is over. The Hon. Member does not have to worry. His farmers will be looked after.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT POLICY
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NDP

Victor Fredrich (Vic) Althouse

New Democratic Party

Mr. Althouse:

The Premiers are maligning you.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT POLICY
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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister of Agriculture; Minister responsible for Privatization and Regulatory Affairs; Vice-President; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Mazankowski:

We go back to the days when we announced the first billion dollar deficiency payment. The Leader of the NDP said that it was borrowed money, then it was advance money, and then he was concerned about whether it was new money or old money. This money will be put on the table and the farmers will receive it as was outlined.

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NATIVE PEOPLES

PC

Guy St-Julien

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Guy St-Julien (Abitibi):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of State (Housing).

The Quebec Regional Office of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation has decided not to press for the construction of three homes in Clova this year under the native demonstration program, by citing the remoteness of that community located in Quebec's heartland.

Here is my question: Can the Minister assure the House that the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation will immediately review that decision so that native people in Clova can get warm and comfortable homes in 1989, despite that community's remoteness?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIVE PEOPLES
Sub-subtopic:   CONSTRUCTION OF THREE HOUSES IN CLOVA- GOVERNMENT POSITION
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PC

John Horton McDermid (Minister of State (Housing); Minister of State (International Trade))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John McDermid (Minister of State (International Trade) and Minister of State (Housing)):

Mr. Speaker, first I want to thank the Hon. Member for his question. I can advise him that the CMHC officials have informed me that the municipality of Clova will be in a very good position to receive its housing under the Rural and Native Housing Program in 1989.

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Subtopic:   NATIVE PEOPLES
Sub-subtopic:   CONSTRUCTION OF THREE HOUSES IN CLOVA- GOVERNMENT POSITION
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FISHERIES

December 13, 1988