August 22, 1988

NDP

Rodney Edward Murphy (Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Rod Murphy (Churchill):

Mr. Speaker, the Minister knows full well, and I am asking him to confirm this, that he has not made one proposal, given one definition or one procedure with which to resolve the issue of election expenses. He has not made one proposal. We have. We have asked him any number of times for a definite definition of election expenses. It is not a matter of wanting our way. We want him to make at least one offer.

August 22, 1988

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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister responsible for Privatization and Regulatory Affairs; Vice-President; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Don Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister and President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Speaker, in an exchange of letters we have even gone so far, because we want this piece of legislation to move forward, to suggest, if we could not agree on a definition before hand, to move the legislation ahead and debate this issue at the committee stage. There has been an exchange of correspondence on a number of occasions where we have outlined the intended areas with which we were prepared to deal, which were in addition to what is contained in the Bill at the present time.

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

But not election expenses.

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PC

Donald Frank Mazankowski (Deputy Prime Minister; Minister responsible for Privatization and Regulatory Affairs; Vice-President; President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Mazankowski:

In a letter that I sent to the Leaders on May 3, I went through the whole list of changes that we were prepared to advance, including No. 8, "a new definition of election expenses which would be incorporated". I have the letter here and I would be prepared to table it.

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Where is the definition? It is not there. Classic hypocrites. Union Nationale rides again in the Tory Party. Give me the PQ any day; at least they were honest.

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INDUSTRIAL AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM

LIB

Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Herb Gray (Windsor West):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister in the absence of the Minister of Industry and Science. The Industrial and Regional Development Program expired on June 30. The Government has proposed replacement programs for every part of Canada except for the Province of Ontario south of Parry Sound. This means that communities in eastern Ontario that qualified for relatively high levels of industrial development assistance have no program available to them, and communities such as Windsor that want assistance for economic diversification also have no equivalent program to the IRDP.

Why has the Government not proposed a program to replace the IRDP for the Province of Ontario south of Parry Sound? Does the Government intend to do so? If so, when will it bring forward this type of program?

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PC

Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development); Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism) and Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development)):

Mr. Speaker, the Minister has already indicated in the House that the new programming under the Department of Science and Technology would be announced as soon as it is approved at all levels of government.

In regard to that area of Ontario, the Member seems to imply that there are no government programs.

Point of Order-Mr. Pennock

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LIB

Don Boudria

Liberal

Mr. Boudria:

No, there are not any.

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PC

Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development); Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Valcourt:

That is completely false. There are programs still applicable in that part of Ontario. We have received applications under IRDP up to June 30. They are in the process of being evaluated.

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LIB

Don Boudria

Liberal

Mr. Boudria:

It's expired.

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PC

Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development); Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Valcourt:

The Defence Industry Productivity Program is in full swing in that part of Ontario. As a matter of fact, tens of millions of dollars-

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LIB

Don Boudria

Liberal

Mr. Boudria:

Name one program in my riding.

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PC

Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development); Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Valcourt:

-are given to companies in that part of Ontario. As for the general programming of the Department of Science and Technology, as soon as they are ready to be announced, they will be announced.

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REQUEST FOR REPLACEMENT PROGRAM

LIB

Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Herb Gray (Windsor West):

Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister of State (Small Business and Tourism) is it not true that the only applications that can be considered under the IRDP are those that were received before June 30, and it is impossible to submit new applications for assistance for establishing new plants, modernization of existing plants, and for studies of diversification that were possible under IRDP before June 30?

If that is true, why has the Government not proposed a replacement program for all of Ontario south of Parry Sound, as the Government has done for every other part of Canada? Why this neglect?

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PC

Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development); Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism))

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Bernard Valcourt (Minister of State (Small Businesses and Tourism) and Minister of State (Indian Affairs and Northern Development)):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member should speak to his colleagues. His colleagues from Quebec are complaining that all of Quebec has no program as of today. Even though the program expired June 30, the answer is the same. As soon as the programming is ready under the new Department of Industry Science and Technology, they will be announced.

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PC

John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

That concludes Question Period. The Hon. Member for Etobicoke North on a point of order.

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POINT OF ORDER

PC

Robert Pennock

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bob Pennock (Etobicoke North):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to attempt to correct an improper impression left by the Hon. Member for Hamilton East (Ms. Copps) related to an issue I raised in the House last Wednesday concerning a potential health hazard to all Canadians. Canadians have a

August 22, 1988

Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement

right to know that a health hazard exists because of a waste disposal problem at Pearson International Airport.

In her statement to the House on Thursday, August 18, the Hon. Member for Hamilton East jumped to the conclusion that I had accused the City of Hamilton of creating a potential health hazard at Pearson International Airport. An examination of my comments in Hansard will prove otherwise.

The Hon. Member for Hamilton East attempted to turn this into a "we versus they" or a "Toronto versus Hamilton" issue, which it is not. The Hon. Member for Hamilton East attempted to turn it into a garbage issue, which it is not. It is a health issue. We are dealing with a potentially serious health hazard which could have ramifications for the people of Canada and animals, particularly cattle, if it is not dealt with expeditiously.

I would like to state for the record that Pearson International Airport is not within the boundaries of the City of Toronto, as the Hon. Member suggested. It is an international airport in the great city of Mississauga and one, if not the major, gateway to Canada.

I have concern when an issue involving public health and safety in Canada is attempted to be brought down to the level of partisan politics. International garbage is coming into Canada from countries where foot and mouth disease is a very serious concern. In 1952, a foot and mouth epidemic was started by a single piece of sausage. Today a sea-gull could pick up a similarly tainted piece of meat and fly to the City of Hamilton.

Unlike the Hon. Member, I have taken the time to research the background and-

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August 22, 1988