August 12, 1988

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT


The House proceeded to the consideration of Bill C-130, an Act to implement the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the United States of America, as reported (with amendments) from a legislative committee.


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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I want to make several preliminary remarks. [Translation]

I am very sorry, but we still do not have the French version and the problem is due to translation, because last night, the Speaker and the Clerks of the House had to work very late; this was necessary considering the number of amendments submitted. I hope that Hon. Members will understand the situation.

The Hon. Member for Ottawa-Vanier (Mr. Gauthier) has the floor.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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Jean-Robert Gauthier (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Liberal Party)

Liberal

Mr. Gauthier (Ottawa-Vanier):

On a matter of fundamental principle, I recognize that the Clerks of the House worked very late because there were amendments, some one hundred tabled by Members, but I believe that it is right for this

Parliament to work with documents in both official languages. Besides, we recently passed Bill C-72, which requires of the Government that any document tabled in the House be in both official languages. It is hard for some unilingual Members to follow the debate. I understand that we have simultaneous translation, but it is still unfair for these Members to have to deal with a document that is only in English, when we know very well that they would understand better and perhaps follow the proceedings better if the material were in French.

I suggest that the Chair wait a few more minutes for a translation to be available for all Members so that here in this House, we can maintain the fundamental principle and work in English or in French with documents available to all.

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Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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Nelson Andrew Riis (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Riis:

Mr. Speaker, I want to lend my voice to that of the Hon. Member for Ottawa-Vanier (Mr. Gauthier). This is an important debate, and your ruling will be of utmost importance in the way the deliberations of this House will transpire over the next few days. I think it is only appropriate that we have the document before us in both of Canada's official languages.

May I suggest, since you indicated the translated version will be here shortly, that we recess for a few moments while awaiting the document so that we can begin properly and appropriately, reading from the transcript of your ruling in either of Canada's official languages.

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Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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Douglas Grinslade Lewis (Minister of State (Government House Leader); Minister of State (Treasury Board))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lewis:

Mr. Speaker, I am naturally in your hands, as are other Members. The provision of draft rulings in both official languages is a convenience for the House. I think it would be in order for you simply to have read your ruling into the record without the provision of draft copies.

We can, however, do one of two things. One might suggest that you read the first two paragraphs of your ruling. I think the essence is that Motions Nos. 1,61 and 65 are in order and will be debated together, and go from there.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I hesitate to interrupt the Hon. Minister of State but until the Chair gives a ruling I do not think we should be discussing the copy which has been extended to House Leaders, of course, as a matter of courtesy. I will hear the Hon. Minister further.

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Douglas Grinslade Lewis (Minister of State (Government House Leader); Minister of State (Treasury Board))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lewis:

In that case, Mr. Speaker, I suggest we recess the House until a copy of the provisional ruling in both official

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languages, as far as the Table has got, is available to all Members.

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Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I think I told the Hon. Member for Ottawa- Vanier (Mr. Gauthier) that copies would be available soon. It might not be quite as soon as I thought a few moments ago. Would the House allow me to consult with my officers for just a moment?

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Some Hon. Members:

Agreed.

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Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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Douglas Grinslade Lewis (Minister of State (Government House Leader); Minister of State (Treasury Board))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lewis:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. There have been discussions among the House Leaders and we think in view of the circumstances and in view of the importance of the matter before the Chair, and our wish to have every Member of the House in a position to understand your ruling in both official languages, that it would be appropriate to suspend the sitting until 11 a.m. and then commence the normal Statements by Members followed by Question Period. If the ruling is ready, once Orders of the Day are called after Routine Proceedings we could perhaps be in a position then to receive your ruling in both official languages.

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Subtopic:   CANADA-UNITED STATES FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT MEASURE TO ENACT
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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I appreciate very much the co-operation of Members. First, let me say this. There are 102 motions that were received by six o'clock last night. I repeat, 102 motions. I also point out that a great many people worked well beyond midnight last night to prepare at least part of the ruling on these amendments in order to try to meet the exigencies of today.

I also point out that it was not possible to have in place translators after midnight last night. This is nobody's fault. It is just a fact of life. I have to say that until early this morning the document was not completely finished in any event.

I should also add that I will have to make a further ruling on other amendments which we have not been able to consider. I see some sympathy expressed by House Leaders and I appreciate that also.

I thank the Hon. Minister of State (Mr. Lewis) after consultation with the House Leaders for his suggestion. I think that perhaps is an appropriate way to deal with the matter. We may not by noon have the entire ruling fully translated, but we will have enough of it translated to get started on the debate.

I want to say that I greatly appreciate the statement by the Hon. Member for Ottawa-Vanier (Mr. Gauthier). There is a problem, but the principle is not at issue today, not at all. So I would ask for the cooperation of all Members, especially the francophones.

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SITTING SUSPENDED

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The sitting is adjourned until eleven o'clock. We will resume for Question Period at that time, followed by Routine Proceedings. I will then return with the ruling.

At 10.19 a.m. the sitting of the House was suspended.

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SITTING RESUMED The House resumed at 11 a.m.

STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S. O. 21

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Hon. Chas. L. Caccia@Davenport

Mr. Speaker, last week the Friends of the Oldman River laid charges against the Province of Alberta for violating Section 33 of the federal Fisheries Act because construction of a dam on the Oldman River would destroy habitat for brown, brook and cutthroat trout. These fish are of great value to Alberta's tourism and recreation industry.

In addition, the proposed reservoir would flood Indian burial sites, ancient inscriptions carved in stone and ceremonial grounds of the Peigan Indians. Damming one of the only undammed rivers left in southern Alberta would destroy the ecology and native lifestyle of the area for the sake of irrigation for some 300 land owners. It simply does not make sense.

We urge the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans (Mr. Siddon) to prosecute the Government of Alberta on the charges laid by the Friends of the Oldman River, and to subject the Oldman Dam project to the federal environmental assessment and review process. The Oldman River is a treasure worth saving in its pristine beauty.

Topic:   SITTING RESUMED The House resumed at 11 a.m.
Subtopic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S. O. 21
Sub-subtopic:   EFFECT OF OLDMAN RIVER DAM ON ALBERTA TOURIST INDUSTRY
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HUMAN RIGHTS

VISIT OF POLISH SOLIDARITY LEADER TO CANADA

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