June 22, 1988


50.(1) A constitutional conference composed of the Prime Minister of Canada and the first ministers of the provinces shall be convened not more than once each calendar year by the Prime Minister of Canada or by resolutions of the legislative assemblies of at least two-thirds of the provinces that have, in the aggregate according to the latest cencus, at least fifty percent of the population of all the provinces. (2) The conferences convened under subsection (1) shall have included on their agenda the following matters: (a) an elected Senate with equal representation for the provinces and territories, including the role and functions of the Senate, its powers, the method of electing Senators and their term of office; (b) the method of appointing Supreme Court of Canada justices including the use of provincial advisory committees; (c) the establishment of national shared-cost programs by the Government of Canada in areas of exclusive provincial jurisdiction; (d) the repeal of section 23(3)(a) of the Constitution Act, 1982; (e) the repeal of section 33 of the Constitution Act, 1982; (f) the aboriginal and treaty rights of aboriginal peoples of Canada, including self-government; (g) the application of sections 16 to 20 of the Constitution Act, 1982 to all of the provinces and territories; (h) such other matters as the Prime Minister of Canada or any Premier may wish to add to the agenda for one meeting only." And: That the motion be amended by deleting paragraph 16 of the Schedule. And the amendments of Mr. Roman: That the motion be amended in paragraph 1 of the Schedule by deleting paragraph 2(l)(b) and substituting the following therefor: "(b) the recognition that within Canada, Quebec constitutes one distinct society within a confederation of distinct societies." And: That the motion be amended in paragraph 6 of the Schedule by deleting subsection 101C.(1) and substituting the following therefor: "101C.(I) Where a vacancy occurs in the Supreme Court of Canada, the government of each province shall, in relation to that vacancy, submit to the Minister of Justice of Canada the names of any of the persons who have been admitted to the bar of that province and are qualified under section 101B for appointment to that court." And: That the motion be amended in paragraph 6 of the Schedule by adding immediately after subsection 101C.(4) the following: "(5) Where a vacancy occurs in the Supreme Court of Canada and the governments of the provinces have not submitted names under subsection (1), the Governor General in Council shall appoint a person who is acceptable to the Queen's Privy Council for Canada."


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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

It being after three o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order adopted Tuesday, June 14, 1988, the House will now proceed to the taking of deferred divisions on the amendments

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Constitution Amendment, 1987

and on the main motion in relation to the motion on the Constitution Amendment, 1987.

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Anthony (Tony) Roman

Independent

Mr. Roman:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like the permission of the House to withdraw the amendments that were proposed by me with respect to the Constitution Act and the amendments thereto.

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Some Hon. Members:

Agreed.

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PC

John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Call in the Members.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare the amendment lost. The next

question is on the amendment of Mr. Caccia.

The House divided on the amendment (Mr. Caccia), which

was negatived on the following division:

Constitution Amendment, 1987

Ravis Shields Turner Guilbault MacKay RiisRedway Siddon (Vancouver Quadra) (Saint-Jacques) Mailly RobinsonReid Skelly Valcourt Guilbault Malone RodriguezReimer Sparrow Van De Walle (Drummond) Manly RompkeyRicard Speyer Vezina Gustafson Mantha RossiRiis Suluk Vincent Halliday Marchi St-JulienRobinson Tardif Wenman Hamelin Marin SchellenbergRodriguez (Richmond-Wolfe) White Hamilton Martin (Nanaimo-Alberni)Rompkey Tardif Wilson Hardey Masse SchellenbergerRossi (Charles bourg) (Swift Current Harvey Mayer (Wetaskiwin)St-Julien Taylor -Maple Creek) Hawkes Mazankowski ScottSchellenberg Thacker Winegard Heap McCrossan (Victoria-Haliburton)(Nanaimo-Alberni) Tobin Wise Hicks McCuish ScottSchellenberger Toupin Witer Hnatyshyn McCurdy (Hamilton-Wentworth)(Wetaskiwin) Towers Young-211 Holtmann McDermid ScowenScott Tremblay Hopkins McDonald Shields(Victoria-Haliburton) (Quebec-Est) Horner (Broadview- SiddonScott Tupper Howie Greenwood) Skelly(Hamilton-Wentworth) Turner Hudon Mclnnes SparrowScowen (Ottawa-Carleton) Isabelle McKinnon SpeyerJames McKnight SulukJardine McLaughlin TardifJelinek McMillan (Richmond-Wolfe)

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare the amendment lost. The next question is on the first amendment standing in the name of the Jepson Jewett Johnson Merrithew Minaker Mitchell Tardif (Charles bourg) TaylorHon. Member for Saint-Henri-Westmount (Mr. Johnston). (Bonavista-Trinity- Conception) Mitges Moore Thacker TobinThe House divided on the amendment (Mr. Johnston), Joncas Jourdenais Mulroney Nicholson Toupin Towerswhich was negatived on the following division. Kaplan (Niagara Falls) Tremblay

(Division No. 404)

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Members

Berger Johnston PennerCaccia (Saint-Henri- Roman-'Corbett Westmount) Kindy

NAYS Members Allmand Champagne DommAlthouse (Saint-Hyacinthe- DorinAngus Bagot) DuguayAttewell Champagne DuplessisAxworthy (Champlain) EdwardsBaker Charest EllisBeatty Chartrand EppBelsher Clark (Proven*Benjamin (Yellowhead) FennellBernier Clark FinestoneBertrand (Brandon-Souris) FontaineBlackburn Clifford Forres tallKeeper Nickerson (Quebec-Est)Kelleher Nystrom TupperKempling Oberle TurnerKilgour O'Neil (Ottawa-Carleton)Killens Oostrom TurnerKing Orlikow (Vancouver Quadra)Ladouceur Ouellet ValcourtLandry Paproski Van De WalleLangdon Pennock VezinaLapierre Pepin VincentLayton Peterson WenmanLeblanc Pietz WhiteLesick Price WilsonLewis Prud'homme (Swift CurrentMacDonald Ravis -Maple Creek)(Kingston and Redway Winegardthe Islands) Reid WiseMacDougall Reimer Witer(Timiskaming) Ricard Young-209

(Jonquiere)

Blais

Blais-Grenier

Blenkarn

Bosley

Bouchard

Boudria

Bourgault

Boyer

Bradley

Brightwell

Brisco

Broadbent

Browes

Cadieux

Caldwell

Cardiff

Cassidy

Clinch

Cochrane

Collins

Comeau

Cook

Cooper

Copps

Cossitt

Cote

Crofton

Crouse

Danis

Darling

Daubney

de Cotret

de Jong

Della Noce

Dick

Foster

Fraleigh

Fretz

Fulton

Gagliano

Gagnon

Garneau

Gauthier

Girard

Gormley

Gray

(Bonaventure-iles-dela-Madeleine)

Gray

(Windsor West) Greenaway Gris6 Grondin

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare the amendment lost.

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Donald James Johnston

Independent Liberal

Mr. Johnston:

I have a number of other amendments, Mr. Speaker, that are to come before the House. I would be prepared to accept the vote on the first amendment as applied to the other amendments on the assumption that all Members have read those proposed amendments and realize what they are voting against. If the House gives unanimous consent to that, I would be prepared to dispose with votes on the other amendments.

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Svend Johannes Robinson

New Democratic Party

Mr. Robinson:

Mr. Speaker, I wish to have my vote recorded in favour of the amendment proposed with respect to clause 7 of the Accord.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The House has heard the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Saint-Henri-Westmount (Mr. Johnston), and it is agreed, subject to the vote of the Hon. Member for Burnaby (Mr. Robinson).

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Some Hon. Members:

Agreed.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare all of the amendments lost. For the record, we have voted on one. There are seven others. I declare those seven amendments lost.

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David Berger

Liberal

Mr. Berger:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I stand to be corrected, but I think that there are six other amendments not seven. It is just a technicality, but it is something that you may wish to check.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

In answer to the Hon. Member for Laurier (Mr. Berger), I wish to make it clear that the House has voted on the first of eight amendments, and that means there would be seven further amendments. As I understand it, it is the wish of the House that those seven further amendments be treated in the same way as the first. I declare those seven amendments lost.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The next question is on Hnatyshyn.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare the motion carried.

Point of Order

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Svend Johannes Robinson

New Democratic Party

Mr. Robinson:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I appreciate the opportunity afforded a Member who has abstained to make a brief statement and give an explanation.

I am profoundly opposed to those provisions of the Meech Lake Accord which may weaken the important role-

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Some Hon. Members:

Order.

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John Allen Fraser (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

There is a tradition in this place according to which Member who has abstained may rise briefly to give an explanation. I would ask Hon. Members to extend that courtesy.

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