October 1, 1987

NDP
PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Minister of State (Seniors))

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Way to go, Joe.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT POLICY
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PC

Thomas Edward Siddon (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Siddon:

There is no strength in weakness.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT POLICY
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MINISTER'S POSITION

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

Mr. Speaker, all I would say is that one would hope that in a matter as serious as this when there is a specific question on disarmament, the Secretary of State for External Affairs would have the courtesy to the public of Canada to deal with the question that is asked instead of raising a red herring.

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Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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Some Hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

I do not wish to distort the argument of the Minister, because I understood his argument. I will ask him to explain what he meant. On March 2 he stated, in a way that I understood, that there was a linkage to be made between Cruise testing and disarmament agreements between the Soviet Union and the United States. Would he tell us what he meant when he said, "We will determine Canadian government policy on the basis of what is actually decided in Geneva"?

October 1, 1987

Oral Questions

If the Minister did not mean that we would contribute to this process by stopping the testing of Cruise missiles, what did he mean?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. Joe Clark (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, unlike the Leader of the New Democratic Party, my words speak for themselves.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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Some Hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Clark (Yellowhead):

There they are on the record talking about what was actually decided in Geneva. I stand by the record.

I perfectly understand why the Leader of the New Democratic Party does not want to talk about his policy and his Party's policy of pulling this country out of NATO.

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Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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NDP

Pauline Jewett

New Democratic Party

Ms. Jewett:

Come on, Joe, answer the question.

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Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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NDP
NDP

Nelson Andrew Riis (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Riis:

Now we understand why you are not the Prime Minister, Joe.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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PC

Charles Joseph Clark (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Clark (Yellowhead):

The Leader of the NDP knows that would jeopardize Canada's and the West's ability to achieve reduction in nuclear weapons. We want weapons down. We do not want that type of false gesture for partisan purposes here at home.

[Translation)

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GOVERNMENT'S ROLE

LIB

Jacques Guilbault (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Jacques Guilbaut (Saint-Jacques):

Mr Speaker, the strike is obviously the result of the strait jacket in which the Government has put Canada Post to stop it from making reasonable offers which could lead to a settlement. Why is the Deputy Minister, Bill Kelly, reduced to taking notes during the meetings? Why can he not act as mediator? Does the Government feel responsible for settling the strike or is it simply trying to use the postal workers as political scapegoats?

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S ROLE
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PC

Pierre H. Cadieux (Minister of Labour)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Pierre H. Cadieux (Minister of Labour):

Mr Speaker, once more, if the Hon. Member took the trouble to read the press release, he would know exactly why I have asked Mr. Kelly to meet the parties involved.

As for the question of whether or not Mr. Kelly should act as mediator, which he is not doing, I would like to quote the words of Mr. Parrot as reported on page 3 of today's issue of Le journal de Montreal:

The presence of a mediator is useful when both parties have seriously want

to come to an agreement.

This is what Mr. Kelly is now doing, Mr. Speaker, trying to determine the intentions of both parties and evaluating the situation. He will report to me after completing his evaluation.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S ROLE
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CANADA POST CORPORATION

LIB

Jacques Guilbault (Deputy House Leader of the Official Opposition; Liberal Party Deputy House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Jacques Guilbault (Saint-Jacques):

Mr. Speaker, my question is on the postal strike.

Again, the financial strait-jacket that the Government has imposed on Canada Post is giving us a postal strike. If the Government has created it, the Government at should at least try to settle it.

The last time the Government first refused to appoint a mediator, and then it waited one full week before appointing a mediator. Now we know that Associate Deputy Minister Bill Kelly is already involved. What we would like to know is the following: Is Mr. Kelly involved as an observer, as a messenger, as a notetaker, or does he have a mandate to mediate? If not, when will the Government appoint a mediator?

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Subtopic:   CANADA POST CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   STRIKE BY INSIDE WORKERS-REQUEST THAT GOVERNMENT APPOINT MEDIATOR
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PC

Pierre H. Cadieux (Minister of Labour)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Pierre H. Cadieux (Minister of Labour):

Mr. Speaker, if my hon. colleague had read the press release, he would have noted that Mr. Kelly was not appointed at this particular time as a mediator.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA POST CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   STRIKE BY INSIDE WORKERS-REQUEST THAT GOVERNMENT APPOINT MEDIATOR
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October 1, 1987