April 7, 1987

LIB

George Roland Henderson

Liberal

Mr. Henderson:

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

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Subtopic:   PATENT ACT
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Marcel Danis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

I regret that I have to interrupt the Hon. Minister again. The Hon. Member for Egmont (Mr. Henderson) on a point of order.

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LIB

George Roland Henderson

Liberal

Mr. Henderson:

Mr. Speaker, the Minister made the point that two provincial legislatures unanimously passed a resolution supporting this Bill. I want to point out to the Minister that the Prince Edward Island Legislature also passed a resolution, and also unanimously, calling on the Government not to-

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An Hon. Member:

This is debate.

Patent Act

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PC

Marcel Danis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. On debate, the Hon. Minister.

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Harvie Andre (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

I just want to point out, Mr. Speaker, that I did not interrupt opposition Members when they were speaking-

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LIB

Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Gray (Windsor West):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I thought I just heard the Hon. Minister use words to the effect that he was going to let opposition Members get on with their demagoguery.

I respectfully direct Your Honour to Citation 320 at pages 105 and 106 of Beauchesne's Fifth Edition. Subclause (2) reads:

Since 1958, it has been ruled unparliamentary to use the following expressions:

And at page 106 Your Honour will see the word "demagogue", which apparently was ruled unparliamentary on June 16, 1963, as reported at page 10194 of Debates.

Therefore I ask Your Honour to ask the Hon. Minister to withdraw his clearly unparliamentary remark.

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LIB

Philip Derek Lewis

Liberal

Mr. Lewis:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. Obviously the Chair will know that the Hon. Minister used the term "demagoguery" and never in any way called any one member of the Opposition a demagogue.

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LIB

Brian Vincent Tobin

Liberal

Mr. Tobin:

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order-

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Marcel Danis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

The Hon. Minister has the floor.

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Harvie Andre (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

Mr. Speaker, as the Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Lewis) pointed out, I did not call anybody a demagogue. I suggested that there was a lot of demagoguery. If that is offensive to the Hon. House Leader of the Liberal Party and if you find it unacceptable, I would substitute therefor "wild exaggeration". I just want to point out-

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LIB

Brian Vincent Tobin

Liberal

Mr. Tobin:

Mr. Speaker, on that point of order, I was the recipient, in my own humble way of reflecting the views of Newfoundlanders, of the Minister's statement in which he said that the Hon. Member was giving a new definition to the term "demagoguery", and the "blues" will show that.

On behalf of my constituents, whose humble voices I was merely reflecting and echoing off these ungodly walls-

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Some Hon. Members:

Order!

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LIB

Brian Vincent Tobin

Liberal

Mr. Tobin:

-I ask the Minister to withdraw that insult to my constituents.

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Marcel Danis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

The Minister has already spoken, and I consider the incident closed. Will the Minister continue, please.

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Harvie Andre (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder why the Opposition is so reluctant to let me speak, given that we have sat here, all of us collectively on this side, and allowed each

April 7, 1987

Patent Act

Member on that side who wished to speak to take his or her 10 minutes uninterrupted, which is the usual courtesy extended in the House.

I just wanted to point out, as I have done, the recent poll which in fact asked fair questions. It pointed out that when the facts were put to the people and they are asked: "Are you willing to pay higher prices for more research and development", the answer was "yes", 64 per cent of the time. If we say: "Would you be prepared to see the establishment of patent rights with a control mechanism to keep the price of drugs less than the cost of living", which is in the Bill, as Members who have looked at the Bill know, the support was 82 per cent. It is simply false to make the statement that in fact there is overwhelming opposition.

Given that the Hon. Leader of the New Democratic Party sent out some 300,000 letters, according to the Hon. Member for Beaches (Mr. Young), who I believe made that comment; and given that the CLC, Bob White of the Autoworkers, the Government of Manitoba, and so on have really blanketed the country with all manner of brochures, letters, and so on, trying to scare the dickens out of people, without success, I think a support of 82 per cent is pretty remarkable.

It shows that people are smarter than some members of the Opposition give them credit for. I think that deep in their hearts members of the Opposition know full well that this is a good Bill and that this is a necessary Bill. They know that research and development is absolutely essential to our future, and that we will not have research and development unless we have patent protection for the researchers and the developers. That they know; other people know that.

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LIB

Brian Vincent Tobin

Liberal

Mr. Tobin:

Who paid for the poll?

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Harvie Andre (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

That is why, if we are acting responsibly as a Parliament, we will get the Bill through.

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PC

Harvie Andre (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Andre:

The delay has already cost the country several hundreds of millions of dollars in research and development. Every month of delay delays that activity in the country.

The Hon. Member's collar is pinching or something-

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April 7, 1987