June 21, 1984

PLIGHT OF SENIOR CITIZENS

NDP

Ian Deans (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Ian Deans (Hamilton Mountain):

Mr. Speaker, in quoting the statistics the Minister does not seem to recognize that in each of the years about which he is speaking we ran at least 40,000 housing units behind our need. With 12,000 people in Toronto in need of housing of a social nature, with

3,000 senior citizens in Toronto unable to find senior citizens' accommodation, and with thousands of others in almost every municipality from coast to coast unable to find housing at an affordable price, how can we afford to take 2,500 to 3,500 units away from the social housing allocation this year, knowing full well that we will not be able to meet either the immediate need or the projected requirements?

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Subtopic:   PLIGHT OF SENIOR CITIZENS
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member has served in the provincial Legislature of the Province of Ontario, if my memory is correct. He

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seems to forget that housing does not fall totally under federal jurisdiction. In fact if he compares the amount of money this Government is putting into housing, and particularly social housing with the amount of money spent by the provinces then he may want to speak to his counterparts in the provincial Legislature of his own province and, in fact, in the Legislatures of most provinces. The federal Government is doing more than all of the provinces of Canada combined.

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Subtopic:   PLIGHT OF SENIOR CITIZENS
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THE ECONOMY

PC

Donald Alex Blenkarn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Don Blenkarn (Mississauga South):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is directed to the Minister of State for Finance, who was speaking of confidence. I would wonder what kind of confidence the people have shown in the Government of Canada with the Canadian dollar at its lowest level in history today.

Across the country today there are billboards which read: "Celebrate the Future" and on which yesterday's man is featured prominently. I would like to know what kind of future we are to celebrate? Are we celebrating a future that now sees Canadians with a full-time employment level of 2.4 per cent less than it was in January, 1981, when full-time employment levels in the United States are up 5.1 per cent? What kind of future are we celebrating? What kind of future do these unemployed Canadians have to celebrate?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   FUTURE PROSPECTS-UNEMPLOYMENT LEVELS
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LIB

Roy MacLaren (Minister of State (Finance))

Liberal

Hon. Roy MacLaren (Minister of State (Finance)):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member opposite should look for a moment at the OECD report with which the Hon. Member from St. John's is so preoccupied. In fact that report offers good news. If he wants to receive good news, he should read what the OECD has to say.

The OECD predicts that Canada's economic growth in 1984 will be second only to that of Japan and will be substantially ahead of that of the United States and other industrialized countries. The OECD believes, and the Canadian Government shares its view, that our growth in 1984 will be in the 4 per cent to 5 per cent range. This, of course, will in turn bring increased investment in the Canadian economy and an increased creation of jobs.

When talking about job creation the Hon. Member should also know that over the last years we have set record levels in job creation. Indeed, since the end of the recession we have created almost half a million jobs in the Canadian economy, the creation of which has played a substantial part in offsetting the effects of the recession.

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say they have created. The fact is that we have gotten nothing but blarney and nonsense from the Government.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   THE ECONOMY
Sub-subtopic:   FUTURE PROSPECTS-UNEMPLOYMENT LEVELS
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COMPARISON WITH UNITED STATES

PC

Donald Alex Blenkarn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Don Blenkarn (Mississauga South):

Mr. Speaker, why does the Minister not pay attention to what is being done in the United States? In the United States there was a growth rate of 9.7 per cent in the last quarter. I would point out to the Minister that Statistics Canada has now delayed stating the Canadian growth figures three times. However, those figures are likely to show a 2.4 per cent or perhaps 2.7 per cent rate of growth for the same quarter. Why are we doing so poorly when the United States, our major trading partner, is doing so well? What does the Minister have to say about that? Why has the Government given us nothing but yesterday answers, and now a yesterday Leader?

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Subtopic:   COMPARISON WITH UNITED STATES
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LIB

Roy MacLaren (Minister of State (Finance))

Liberal

Hon. Roy MacLaren (Minister of State (Finance)):

Mr. Speaker, the fact is that the Canadian economy is doing well. We shall see increased growth during the course of this year. This growth is estimated to be ahead of that of the United States for the year.

The Hon. Member opposite should know, as should his colleague, the Hon. Member for Etobicoke Centre, that in fact the increase in the Canadian workforce has been at levels greater than that of the United States, or, indeed, of any of the other summit countries. The Canadian labour force has grown at rates which have been unparalleled, not only in our history but in comparison with those of other industrialized countries. In those circumstances we have had high rates of unemployment. I regret to say that we shall continue to have a substantial rate of unemployment in the time ahead. However, we shall equally be creating jobs at a very rapid rate to absorb as many as possible of the new workers who will be entering the workforce.

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Subtopic:   COMPARISON WITH UNITED STATES
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SAFE DRINKING WATER

LIB

Aideen Nicholson

Liberal

Miss Aideen Nicholson (Trinity):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Health and Welfare. In view of the continuing concern about acid rain, both from environmental and health points of view, will the Minister indicate if she is encouraging new initiatives to protect the health of Canadians and, in particular, what is being done to ensure that drinking water in unorganized areas, where the water quality is not controlled by municipalities, is safe?

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Subtopic:   SAFE DRINKING WATER
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PC

Donald Alex Blenkarn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Blenkarn:

Mr. Speaker, if we had all of the jobs that government Members say have been creating, every Canadian in the country would be working night and day, and on weekends. We would be bringing in great numbers of immigrants. We would not know what to do with all of the jobs they

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Subtopic:   SAFE DRINKING WATER
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LIB

Russell Gregoire MacLellan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Russell MacLellan (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Mr. Speaker, I know that this is of great concern to the Minister and to the Department. There is a good deal of study being done in this regard, particularly as it relates to people's health. We hope to

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be able to have something more definitive when those studies are completed in the near future.

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Subtopic:   SAFE DRINKING WATER
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NATIONAL REVENUE

PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Perrin Beatty (Wellington-Dufferin-Simcoe):

Mr. Speaker, I imagine that the Minister of National Revenue is being briefed on the answer to the question which I am about to ask him. The Minister will know that the Supreme Court rendered an extremely important judgment today in which it found against the Department of National Revenue in favour of James Richardson and Sons Limited. In view of the fact that the decision of the Supreme Court included the following statement: "The Minister cannot under subsection (3) of Section 231 of the Act conduct a "fishing expedition" into the trading activities of the customers of one broker," I would ask the Minister what assurance he can give to the House that any attempt to conduct this sort of fishing expedition in the future will be stopped. Also, would he assure the House that no attempts, similar to the one which was made with the request to the City of Kitchener for complete access to the computerized data base of that city, will be made in the future?

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL REVENUE
Sub-subtopic:   SUPREME COURT FINDING ON MINISTERIAL POWERS
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LIB

Pierre Bussières (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. Pierre Bussieres (Minister of National Revenue):

Mr. Speaker, as the Hon. Member knows, the judgment was made public this morning. We are studying, in the Department, the nature of that judgment. I want to ensure the Hon. Member that the application of Section 231 and the administrative practices related to it will be put in line with respect to the judgment which was made today.

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Subtopic:   NATIONAL REVENUE
Sub-subtopic:   SUPREME COURT FINDING ON MINISTERIAL POWERS
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RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF TAXPAYERS

PC

Henry Perrin Beatty

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Perrin Beatty (Wellington-Dufferin-Simcoe):

Mr. Speaker, the judgment opens up two possibilities. The first is that in a case such as this the Department could have asked for the files of very brokerage firm and gone on an even more massive fishing expedition than it had contemplated. The second possibility is that the Department would not target one individual firm.

I would like to ask the Minister for the assurance that he will not take the option of simply casting the nets farther and increasing the ability of the Department to go on this sort of a fishing expedition, but instead that he will opt for the privacy of Canadians and for some respect of their basic rights. Can he at least give us that assurance, which was recommended by the PC Task Force on Revenue Canada?

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Subtopic:   RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF TAXPAYERS
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LIB

Pierre Bussières (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. Pierre Bussieres (Minister of National Revenue):

Mr. Speaker, I want to give the assurance to Members of the House that we will continue to respect the rights of Canadian taxpayers as we have always done. I also would like to assure the Hon. Member that the judgment of the Supreme Court

and the suggestions which were made will be respected by the Department.

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Subtopic:   RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF TAXPAYERS
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HOUSING

June 21, 1984