June 21, 1984

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT

LIB

Robert Phillip Kaplan (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Bob Kaplan (Solicitor General of Canada) moved

that Bill C-9, an Act to establish the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, to enact an Act respecting enforcement in relation to certain security and related offences and to amend certain Acts in consequence thereof or in relation thereto, be read a third time and do pass.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

Ramon John Hnatyshyn (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hnatyshyn:

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order-

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The Hon. Member for Saskatoon West (Mr. Hnatyshyn).

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

Ramon John Hnatyshyn (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hnatyshyn:

The tradition on third reading with respect to legislation has been for the Minister who introduces the motion to address the House. In terms of the point of order, I simply want to know whether it is the intention of the Minister to make any remarks on this, or is he going to continue in this arrogance, which I cannot understand, with respect to such important legislation when we have closure imposed upon us. I would like to have some indication of whether there will be some initial remarks. If there will not, our Party is prepared to debate this vigorously during the course of the day.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, I agree that there are a lot of traditions and some of them must be followed. Others should be changed. For example, what happened last night was most childish, especially coming from the NDP.

With regard to the request made by the Hon. Member, I do not think that tradition need be followed either. The Solicitor General (Mr. Kaplan) is free to speak at any time on third reading. If he wants to speak, he will rise and deliver his speech. There is no tradition that on third reading the mover should speak first. That is not true.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Robert Phillip Kaplan (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Kaplan:

My answer to the question is that, in the last few months and especially the last few hours, many of the comments I heard on this Bill were so far-fetched, inaccurate and destructive that I have now decided not to listen a great

deal to the arguments of the Opposition. However, I think most of what was said last night about this Bill was so farfetched it was not worth responding to.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Ian Deans (N.D.P. House Leader)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Deans:

Mr. Speaker, the House Leader of the Government indicates that he is unhappy with certain traditions. I simply want to say to him that if we could find a way to do today, tomorrow, next week and next year what we did last night and stop this Bill from passing, we would use it. The Bill is so bad, so offensive, and so disgusting in nature that it ought not to pass.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The Chair is having difficulty at this point. Are any Hon. Members wishing to be recognized for debate?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

John Gerald (Jack) Masters

Liberal

Mr. Masters:

Mr. Speaker, I hesitate to interrupt the debate, but I would ask unanimous consent of the House to present the first report of the Standing Committee on Communications and Culture, which is prepared in both official languages. The subject matter concerns the taxation of visual and performing artists and writers. With the permission of the House I would like to present the report now.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

This can only be done by unanimous consent.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

Ramon John Hnatyshyn (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hnatyshyn:

Mr. Speaker, I have not been apprised of that intention. While I do not see that there would be any objection, the normal courtesy is to let the Opposition know precisely what the intention is, particularly the Opposition House Leader.

I will take the matter under advisement. Maybe we will be able to meet with the Hon. Member later in the morning to see if we can make some arrangements to look at what he wants to do.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

There does not appear to be unanimous consent for the Hon. Member's request. In the circumstances, he cannot move his motion.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

John Gerald (Jack) Masters

Liberal

Mr. Masters:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I only want to add a brief remark. I recognize that, and do not wish to take up the time of the House, but to my knowledge there had been an understanding. I would simply request that the matter be looked into.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

It is quite clear that there is not unanimous consent.

June 21, 1984

Security Intelligence Service

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

John Allen Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John A. Fraser (Vancouver South):

Mr. Speaker, this is the last day of debate on Bill C-9, which is the legislation concerning the Canadian security service. You will know, Mr. Speaker, that we are at what is called third reading stage. If my hon. friends on the government side do not stop talking, I will sit down until they do. I wonder if Your Honour could call for order.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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An Hon. Member:

Wake up, Chairman.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

John Allen Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fraser:

It is not my place to call order, Mr. Speaker, but there is too much noise.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Jacques Guilbault (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Guilbault):

There appears to be too much noise, including a Member who said, "Wake up, Chairman", which is certainly offensive. Members should listen to the Member who is speaking.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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June 21, 1984