June 20, 1984

LIB

Pierre De Bané (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Liberal

Hon. Pierre De Bane (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans):

Mr. Speaker, the Government is committed-

Oral Questions

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Subtopic:   BUY-BACK PROGRAM
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Some Hon. Members:

It should be.

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LIB

Pierre De Bané (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Liberal

Mr. De Bane:

If we could have the co-operation of both opposition Parties-I do not know why Hon. Members seem to be taking this so lightly. The Government is committed to having that legislation passed before the adjournment of this Session. Of course it is ultimately up to members of the Opposition to make up their minds.

Opposition Members did prove their responsibility when they passed so swiftly the Atlantic restructuring Bill. I hope we will be able to expect from opposition Members the same readiness to pass this Bill before the adjournment of the House. If opposition Members are opposed to it, it will obviously not pass and, as the Hon. Member suggested, hundreds and hundreds of fishermen in the West could face very serious economic hardships.

This Bill would achieve several things. First, it would limit the participation of the Department in the management and protection of the resource and would put the management of the fishery back in the hands of the fishermen. Essentially, the Government has accepted the philosophy put forward by the fishermen.

When I was in B.C. two days ago I was very heartened when the members of MAC asked me what they could do to see that the Bill is passed before the adjournment. I told them to phone the Hon. Member for Nanaimo-Alberni and the Hon. Member for Vancouver South who hopefully would listen to their representations.

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REQUEST THAT MINISTER INTRODUCE SEPARATE BUY-BACK LEGISLATION

NDP

Edward Allan Miller

New Democratic Party

Mr. Ted Miller (Nanaimo-Alberni):

Mr. Speaker, I am asking specifically if the Minister will separate all of the horrendous aspects of that Bill from the provision in it which was specifically requested by the Minister's Advisory Committee and fishermen in British Columbia, whether they be native, sports, or commercial fishermen? Will the Minister do away with the part of that legislation that is nebulous and inept, and deal specifically with a buy-back program which will be useful in management processes and in reducing the financial burden on fishermen? That is what we are prepared to look at right now. We are not prepared to look at the other horrendous aspects of that legislation that give the Minister more than dictatorial power.

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LIB

Pierre De Bané (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans)

Liberal

Hon. Pierre De Bane (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans):

Mr. Speaker, I am absolutely shocked by the distortion which was made by the Hon. Member about what is the philosophy of the Bill. I hope when the Hon. Member is in B.C., or when he talks to his constituents-except, of course, Mr. Jack Nichol who has said that he will do his darndest to prevent the passage of the Bill-that he will listen to the wide spectrum of views. I can assure him that the reaction will be very, very positive.

Oral Questions

To separate the Bill into two sections and to pass only the buy-back provision would be most irresponsible. I would remind the Hon. Member that this will be the third buy-back in 12 years. I believe the people of this country expect that those who want to get out should be helped a last time in order that they can get out with dignity. The people also expect a system to be established which would prevent any re-occurrence of the fantastic over-capacity which is the most extreme case of over-capacity in the world.

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INDUSTRY

LIB

Jack Sydney George (Bud) Cullen

Liberal

Hon. Bud Cullen (Sarnia-Lambton):

Mr. Speaker, my question is supplementary to the question which was asked by the Hon. Member for Joliette, and is directed to the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion. Unfortunately the Hon. Member for Joliette left the impression that there was only one recommendation flowing from the petrochemical task force. In point of fact there were 19 or 20 recommendations. I know meetings have been held by the Minister and the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources with the officials. Is the Minister now in a position to tell us when he anticipates a response to the petrochemical task force report?

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Subtopic:   INDUSTRY
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LIB

Edward C. Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Ed Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, at the present time we are contacting the provincial Ministers who have participated in the discussions with respect to the task force. Over the next 24 hours we will be meeting with the co-chairmen of the task force. I would hope that by the end of this week, or by the first of next week, we will announce the Government's response to the petrochemical task force.

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POSSIBLE UNITED STATES ACTION TO CURTAIL STEEL IMPORTS

PC

William Hunter (Bill) McKnight

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bill McKnight (Kindersley-Lloydminster):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister for International Trade regarding the ruling which was made by the International Trade Commission in the United States. That ruling was made under the safeguard of GATT. It could well affect some $700 million worth of Canadian steel exports to the United States. Could the Minister inform the House and the workers employed in that industry what action his Government has taken to protect that large amount of export, as well as the thousands of jobs which are in jeopardy as a result of the ruling by the International Trade Commission?

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LIB

Gerald Augustine Regan (Minister for International Trade)

Liberal

Hon. Gerald Regan (Minister for International Trade):

Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to inform the Hon. Member of some of the things which we are doing. First, our opposition to such action by the United States has been made known by the

Deputy Prime Minister to Secretary of State Shultz. I have made it quite clear to the United States Secretary of Trade, Mr. Brock, on several occasions during the time that this investigation, under the petition, was proceeding. We are now in the process, both at the ministerial level and through the Canadian Embassy in Washington, of making it quite clear to the Americans that they have existing mechanisms for pinpointing the transgressors who may be creating the problem to the extent that it exists, and that they are not required to take this universal type of action.

What has happened thus far under their law is that a quasi-judicial investigation is under way which cannot be turned off by the U.S. Government. The American administration cannot stop the investigation. The only point at which the Government of the United States becomes involved is after July 24, when the USITC reports to the President. At that point our Government will deal with the American administration. Actually, we are dealing with them in advance. On Monday I am meeting with representatives from the Canadian steel industry to ensure that efforts are co-ordinated between industry and Government. I am also keeping the provinces informed.

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GENERAL AGREEMENT ON TARIFFS AND TRADE-CANADIAN OPTION

PC

William Hunter (Bill) McKnight

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bill McKnight (Kindersley-Lloydminster):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is directed to the same Minister. It is all very well to express knowledge and concern about the ability of the American administration and the way in which the investigation must be continued. However, the Minister knows full well that under Article 19 of GATT when imports are restricted and a country is harmed-such as Canada will be-that Canada has the ability to retaliate if our markets are restricted in the United States. Has the Minister informed the United States administration that that is the exact action which Canada will take, that of retaliation, if Canada's imports are restricted to the United States?

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LIB

Gerald Augustine Regan (Minister for International Trade)

Liberal

Hon. Gerald Regan (Minister for International Trade):

Mr. Speaker, I suggest to the Hon. Member that he leave it to me to deal with the Americans, with a feeling of confidence on his part that I will take the steps which are most appropriate.

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Some Hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

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LIB

Gerald Augustine Regan (Minister for International Trade)

Liberal

Mr. Regan:

The Hon. Member, in achieving that feeling of confidence, will recall that when the Americans took such a step in relation to specialty steel, our Government retaliated. At that time Secretary Brock stated that that was a very important message for the American industry.

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PC

William Hunter (Bill) McKnight

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKnight:

Give it to them again.

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LIB

Gerald Augustine Regan (Minister for International Trade)

Liberal

Mr. Regan:

It is all very well to give it to them again, but I would like to suggest to the Hon. Member that there is a balance and that it is really not wise for a country our size to get into a trade war with the United States. The American administration has shown repeatedly that it is supportive of

trade liberalization and resists protectionist actions. I have a certain confidence that it will continue to do that.

At the same time, I think the Americans know me and I think they know that if it is necessary to get the message across more forcefully, I will do that.

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FISHERIES

June 20, 1984