June 1, 1984

LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I do not know what photographs, if any, will appear in the brochure, but I would think that if the people of Newfoundland can stand the photographs of the Premier of the Province and of the Hon. Member, they can pretty well stand anything.

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Subtopic:   CONTENT OF BROCHURE
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SOCIAL AFFAIRS

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Status of Women. As the Minister knows, 85 per cent of the children in Canada who have need are denied access to daycare. She said in committee yesterday that she, as Minister, was "persuaded there was a need for action now". Yet the day before she announced the establishment of a committee that would have the task of looking into ways of somehow improving the situation but would not report back until the end of this year.

Given the real need of the children of Canada, which the Minister has publicly discussed herself, is the Government committed to the principle of universal accessible daycare for all of Canada's children?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   SOCIAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   NEED FOR NATIONAL DAYCARE SYSTEM
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LIB

Judith A. Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs; Minister responsible for the Status of Women)

Liberal

Hon. Judy Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member must be aware of the controversy that rages around this particular issue, and he must be also aware of the provincial sensitivities. That is why I met with my provincial counterparts on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week to discuss this very issue in depth.

I might add that the provinces justly guard their area of jurisdiction very carefully and want to be very sure of the direction we are taking, to ensure that we do indeed face the realities of child care needs in this country but do so on a flexible basis, and on the understanding that there are many kinds of daycare. We are all committed to changes to meet the needs in the country. I can assure the Hon. Member that, with the formation of this task force, we at the federal government level are taking a very real position of leadership in this area.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   SOCIAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   NEED FOR NATIONAL DAYCARE SYSTEM
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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

That is to define leadership as simply setting up a committee to study something for another six months. Once the report comes in, presumably it will be another six months before whatever Government is in power acts on it.

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   SOCIAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   NEED FOR NATIONAL DAYCARE SYSTEM
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GOVERNMENT'S POSITION-REQUEST FOR COMMITMENT

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

Mr. Speaker, the Minister said that there is a need for action. We agree. Instead of setting up committees, will the Minister take action? The current jurisdictional authority is with the provinces. However, when we took action on medicare the federal Government committed itself to the principle and then negotiated ways of implementing that principle with the provinces. I want the Minister to be clear cut today. Will she tell the House if the federal Government, the Liberal Party of Canada, is committed to the principle of universally accessible daycare?

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S POSITION-REQUEST FOR COMMITMENT
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LIB

Judith A. Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs; Minister responsible for the Status of Women)

Liberal

Hon. Judy Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I think it is very clear that the federal Government is committed to changes in the daycare system. Whether the kind of system the New Democratic Party wants to put in place is the right answer, we do not yet know. It is clear the NDP is committed to this. What we, the Government, are committed to is a program that will meet the needs of the country. If the New Democratic Party were to examine the real childcare needs in the country, the NDP would know that there is not universal support for the kind of universal daycare the Hon. Member is describing. There is universal support for change, the kind of change that will meet the real needs of the parents and the children of this country.

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S POSITION-REQUEST FOR COMMITMENT
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NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Mr. Broadbent:

Mr. Speaker, at one time there was not universal support in this country for medicare either, but some parties took leadership on the issue to build universal support.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S POSITION-REQUEST FOR COMMITMENT
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Some Hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   GOVERNMENT'S POSITION-REQUEST FOR COMMITMENT
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ASSOCIATION'S FUNDING PROPOSAL

NDP

John Edward Broadbent

New Democratic Party

Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):

Mr. Speaker, the Minister is clearly not committing herself to the principle at all. She has said there is an immediate need for the children. She said:

The current situation is just not acceptable.

Those are the Minister's words. On the question of immediate need for all the children of Canada, she has had a proposal submitted to her by the Canadian Day Care Advocacy Association for an immediate grant of $5 per day from the federal Government for each licensed daycare space. That would amount to only 15 per cent of what the Government used to bail out Canadair. Will the Government at least commit itself, before Parliament recesses at the end of this month, to spending this minimal amount of money of $5 per day which the children of Canada badly need?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   ASSOCIATION'S FUNDING PROPOSAL
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LIB

Judith A. Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs; Minister responsible for the Status of Women)

Liberal

Hon. Judy Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, no one knows better than I the requirements of daycare in this country. The Hon. Member should be very much aware of what the Government has done in this area. Through the CAP program we are spending something like $150 million a year, and we are also spending an incredible amount of money through the tax system. This Govern-

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ment has already indicated that we are prepared to move, and we have moved. We upped the childcare deduction from $1,000 to $2,000 last year, to a maximum of $8,000 per family. That is a considerable amount of money and a clear indication of this Government's commitment to this problem.

The Hon. Member brings up the Canadian Day Care Advocacy position, which is a very valid one, but it is only one position. I suggest the Hon. Member take a more realistic position. I suggest he sit down with representatives of those provincial Governments with whom I sat down to hear what their positions are, and then begin to negotiate honestly and fairly to do something. We are prepared to do that. I suggest he not make empty statements about what the NDP would do, because we know very well the NDP cannot do it.

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Subtopic:   ASSOCIATION'S FUNDING PROPOSAL
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PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF HIS EXCELLENCY OSKAR FISCHER, MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

May I call to the attention of the House the presence in the gallery of a delegation from the German Democratic Republic, led by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, His Excellency Oskar Fischer.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF HIS EXCELLENCY OSKAR FISCHER, MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC
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Some Hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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Subtopic:   PRESENCE IN GALLERY OF HIS EXCELLENCY OSKAR FISCHER, MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC
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DISTRIBUTION OF PROPOSED BROCHURE IN NEWFOUNDLAND

PC

James Aloysius McGrath

Progressive Conservative

Hon. James A. McGrath (St. John's East):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is for the Acting Prime Minister and it is supplementary to the one asked by my colleague, the Hon. Member for St. John's West. Why is the Government of Canada sending a brochure to the general population in Newfoundland? Will the Government be sending a brochure, a direct mailing, to the other coastal provinces, such as British Columbia? Why is the Government going over the head of the Government of Newfoundland in this way as opposed to taking the initiative to resume negotiations? More particularly, now that we have a Bill before the House, putting the Nova Scotia agreement in legislative form, why did the Government not take that opportunity to announce its position to the people of Canada?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   DISTRIBUTION OF PROPOSED BROCHURE IN NEWFOUNDLAND
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Allan J. MacEachen (Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, we are not going over the head of the Government of Newfoundland.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   DISTRIBUTION OF PROPOSED BROCHURE IN NEWFOUNDLAND
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PC

J. Michael Forrestall (Deputy Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Forrestall:

You are going behind its back.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   DISTRIBUTION OF PROPOSED BROCHURE IN NEWFOUNDLAND
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June 1, 1984