May 31, 1984

INDIAN AFFAIRS

NDP

James Ross Fulton

New Democratic Party

Mr. Jim Fulton (Skeena):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Indian Affairs who is just behind the curtain looking for delegates. Would he come back to his seat?

Now that the Minister is back in the House, I am sure he is aware that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans has completed meetings throughout British Columbia regarding Alcan's $3 billion Kemano completion project. Fishermen, native people, farmers, and water users generally have pretty much unanimously called for a full public inquiry. The Minister is aware that Treasury Board has put forward funding for some of the affected bands in the area. Two weeks ago he told the Haizla people that he was going to call a full public inquiry. Will he tell this House, the native people in that area generally, fishermen, and British Columbians whether or not that public inquiry will be called before the end of this session in June?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDIAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   IMPACT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA ALCAN PROJECT-REQUEST FOR PUBLIC INQUIRY
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LIB

John Carr Munro (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development)

Liberal

Hon. John C. Munro (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):

Mr. Speaker, it is not my role, nor do

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I have the authority, to insist on a public inquiry. If he is asking my view on a matter of this significance, I think there should be a very full airing indeed of all the implications. Yes,

I indicated that I would be prepared to consider the application of the band for the money necessary to undertake some real research into what the implications of such a development would be.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDIAN AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   IMPACT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA ALCAN PROJECT-REQUEST FOR PUBLIC INQUIRY
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MINISTER'S POWERS

NDP

James Ross Fulton

New Democratic Party

Mr. Jim Fulton (Skeena):

Mr. Speaker, at least the people in British Columbia understand the effect of this project is to lower the Fraser River by three feet at Hell's Gate and join the two major river systems of British Columbia, the Skeena and the Fraser. I recommend that the Minister talk to the parliamentary legal counsel. Under the federal Inquiries Act he has the power to call a full public inquiry, and I do not think it is legitimate for him to go around peddling leadership bull to people across the country that he is going to call a full public inquiry, and then stand up in the House and say he does not have the power to do it. Is the Government going to do it or not? It has had five years to call it, and it has done nothing.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POWERS
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

Come on, John. Put up or shut up.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POWERS
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The Hon. Member for St. John's West.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POWERS
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INDUSTRY

PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (St. John's West):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Industry, Trade and Commerce, responsible for DRIE. It has to do with the situation at Corner Brook where, as the Minister knows, Bowater is closing its pulp and paper mill this fall. A number of proposals have been made to the Newfoundland Government and Bowater with respect to other concerns purchasing the mill and carrying on, but they are all dependent on financing from the Government of Newfoundland and the Government of Canada for improvements to the mill. Could the Minister tell us whether he has received any proposals, whether the Government of Canada has a task force reviewing this situation, and just what the situation is now?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDUSTRY
Sub-subtopic:   FUTURE OF PULP AND PAPER MILL AT CORNER BROOK, NFLD.
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LIB

Edward C. Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Ed Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Hon. Member knows that the Premier has asked us not to discuss the details of any of these commercial negotiations in public, obviously because of potential problems they would have in Newfoundland in handling the discussions with the various companies themselves. I can say, however, that we have indicated to the Province of Newfoundland that the pulp and paper modernization agreement funds, the balance of which I believe is almost $26 million, are available for any new purchaser of Bowater. We

May 31, 1984

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have had a request from Newfoundland for additional funds and are looking at the possibility of providing them.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   INDUSTRY
Sub-subtopic:   FUTURE OF PULP AND PAPER MILL AT CORNER BROOK, NFLD.
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REVIEW OF PROPOSALS

PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (St. John's West):

Mr. Speaker, could the Minister advise the House whether his Department, or he himself, is reviewing the best of the proposals that are made, and when a decision might be made with respect to what assistance government is prepared to grant to help modernize that mill? When will a decision be made on that? Is the Government prepared to put further money into the agreement entered into between Newfoundland and Canada, to save thousands of jobs and the city of Corner Brook by keeping that mill operating?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REVIEW OF PROPOSALS
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LIB

Edward C. Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion)

Liberal

Hon. Ed Lumley (Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion):

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my previous answer, we have had a request from the Province of Newfoundland for additional funds over and above the millions that are in the pulp and paper modernization agreement. We have said that we will look very seriously at their request. We are not personally evaluating the proposals. That is being done by the Province of Newfoundland. We have offered our expertise with respect to any particular aspects put forward by the individual companies which have made proposals for the mill.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REVIEW OF PROPOSALS
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NATIONAL CAPITAL COMMISSION

PC

William Henry (Bill) Domm

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bill Domm (Peterborough):

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works who is responsible for the National Capital Commission. I have learned this week that there are 1,241 properties which are owned by the National Capital Commission. Many of these properties in the Ottawa area are rented to people on the preferred list of many of the directors of the National Capital Commission, at rents which are somewhat less than market value. Why is the Minister reticent to release the list to the media or anyone else who is trying to find out where the properties are, who the tenants are, and how much rent is being paid for these properties?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL CAPITAL COMMISSION
Sub-subtopic:   RENTAL OF PROPERTIES
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, going back to my days as Minister of Fisheries, I have always been reticent to release names and addresses of individuals due to the normal privacy to which we are all entitled. Outside of that restriction, I am certainly open to inquiring whether more information can be made available.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   NATIONAL CAPITAL COMMISSION
Sub-subtopic:   RENTAL OF PROPERTIES
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REQUEST FOR DISCLOSURE

PC

William Henry (Bill) Domm

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bill Domm (Peterborough):

Mr. Speaker, I would remind the Minister responsible for Public Works that under the Access to Information Act there is no confidentiality involved with regard to a fringe benefit of rent subsidy offered to possible employees of the federal Government.

Why is the Minister not disclosing the lists of these properties? It is not even possible to obtain the addresses of these 1,241 properties which the National Capital Commission is administering, other than a rural route number which means absolutely nothing when one tries to check out who is the tenant. Would the Minister again look into the Access to Information regulations and legislation, and agree that it is possible to disclose those lists?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR DISCLOSURE
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member has made a fairly long parliamentary career of making all kinds of accusations and not listening to the answers. I said very simply that there is legislation which imposes on Ministers some limitations under the right to privacy. I have to see whether I am allowed to release names and addresses in that situation. We are all entitled to the privacy of our personal addresses if we so choose. I will look into it, and I will release what information I can under the Access to Information Act.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR DISCLOSURE
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PETITIONS

May 31, 1984