May 29, 1984

PC

Allan Bruce McKinnon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinnon:

So the only Party in the House which was opposed to nuclear arms in Canada was the Conservatives, and the New Democratic Party joined with the Liberals to vote it out of office, knowing full well that Mr. Pearson was going to bring in the nuclear warheads for the Bomarc missile. The Government was defeated in a subsequent election. The Liberals formed the next Government and allowed nuclear warheads into Canada, and they are still here today.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

Point of order.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

On a point of order, the Hon. Member for Regina West (Mr. Benjamin).

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

Mr. Speaker, I am sure my good friend, the Hon. Member for Victoria (Mr. McKinnon) would not want to mislead the House or misconstrue the record knowingly or unknowingly. I am sure he would want to include in his remarks that that was a vote of non-confidence in the Government which, he will agree, any opposition party would vote for. It was not a vote in support of nuclear weapons for Canada as advocated by Mr. Pearson. Would the Hon. Member be prepared to complete the record?

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

Order, please. That is not a point of order. It is just a point of debate.

Nuclear Disarmament

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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PC

Allan Bruce McKinnon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinnon:

Mr. Speaker, of course it is not a point of order. The Hon. Member for Regina West has not read the debate, obviously, and forgets completely that the New Democratic Party, being an opposition party, for 19 successive times in a row in 1973 and 1974 did not vote the Government out of office when it had the opportunity to do so.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

We did so!

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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PC

Allan Bruce McKinnon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinnon:

So he is just talking a lot of nonsense to support an unsupportable case.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

I rise on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. That is clearly incorrect. It is not true. It was in 1974 we voted the Liberals out of office.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Neil Young (Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Young:

We did it again in 1979.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

The Tories!

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

Order, please. The Hon. Member for Regina West may have a difference of opinion. It is not a point of order.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

Mr. Speaker, in the interests of accuracy-

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

The Hon. Member for Victoria.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

-it was the NDP who voted the Liberals out of office in 1974.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

Order, please.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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NDP

Leslie Gordon Benjamin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Benjamin:

I was here even if he was not.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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LIB

Harold Thomas Herbert (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Herbert):

Order, please. The Hon. Member for Victoria.

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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PC

Allan Bruce McKinnon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinnon:

There is always a smidgen of truth in what the hon. gentleman from Regina West says. His Party supported the Conservatives after failing to support us in 19 successive votes of non-confidence in the Liberal Government. After voting with the Government 19 times, they eventually saw the light and voted with us in 1974, at long last, having missed all those other chances. It is always interesting to hear these inane comments and unknowledgeable questions from the Hon. Member for Regina West, but time is precious to those of us who have something to say, and I would like to press on. The last paragraph of the resolution reads:

That, the Government should consider the advisability of encouraging cities, provinces and states throughout the world to undertake similar action.

Presumably that is a nuclear arms free zone action. However, I failed to notice in his remarks any reference to the Warsaw Pact countries which are states of the world. I wonder whether he intended to encourage them to undertake similar action and just how he intends to encourage them to do so. Mr. James Stark, the head of Dismantle, gave evidence on the referendum in front of the Standing Committee on External Affairs and National Defence in, I believe, 1982. I would like to read an excerpt from the committee report:

May 29, 1984

Nuclear Disarmament

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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PC

Allan Bruce McKinnon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McKinnon:

I have just a couple of questions. Mr. Stark, if 1 understood you correctly when you were answering Mr. Wenman, you said the Warsaw Pact nations all assured you they would support your motion at the United Nations and would conduct a referendum within their countries. Did I understand you correctly?

Topic:   PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS-MOTIONS
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT
Sub-subtopic:   ADVISABILITY OF DECLARING CANADA A NUCLEAR ARMS FREE
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May 29, 1984