May 4, 1984

CANADA MORTGAGE AND HOUSING CORPORATION

PC

Frank Oberle

Progressive Conservative

Mr. F. Oberle (Prince George-Peace River):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for CMHC and housing. As he knows, the federal Government relies entirely on the provinces to deliver its social housing program. In the Province of British Columbia that delivery system has broken down. There is no delivery of the social housing program, particularly in the mid-central and northern areas of the province. What discussions are under way with the Province of British Columbia, and perhaps with other provinces as well, with a view to regenerating new interest in the program and to improving it?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA MORTGAGE AND HOUSING CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   RURAL AND NATIVE HOUSING IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, I thank the Hon. Member for his interest; however, I might correct his statement slightly. It is not social housing which has run into difficulty. It is rural and native housing which, of course, is part of the general social housing program. Certain provinces, including the Hon. Member's own province, have opted out of this program which by law requires 25 per cent participation of provincial Governments.

May 4, 1984

Oral Questions

My hope is that we will be able to include a very minor amendment when we bring in the mortgage protection plan and, with the support of Hon. Members on both sides of the House, 1 think we should be able to solve the problem. I recognize that until and unless there is a minor change in the Housing Act, my hands are tied, and I regret that very much.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   CANADA MORTGAGE AND HOUSING CORPORATION
Sub-subtopic:   RURAL AND NATIVE HOUSING IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
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PROVINCIAL PARTICIPATION

PC

Frank Oberle

Progressive Conservative

Mr. F. Oberle (Prince George-Peace River):

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is directed to the same Minister. I appreciate his concern, but it is quite obvious that the provinces are so strapped, mainly because of the burdens which have been imposed upon them by some other programs of the federal Government, that they simply cannot come up with the necessary funds to meet their part of the program.

Has it occurred to the Minister that perhaps we should return to what we did in earlier stages, namely, to deliver these programs directly without the participation of the provinces in this critical area of native and rural housing? With the increases in interest rates such as we are experiencing again, there is fear, anxiety, and despair in many areas of Canada which the Minister should at least attempt to correct.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PROVINCIAL PARTICIPATION
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, I do not accept completely the premise of the Hon. Member's question. I do not accept that it is only the economic situation which has forced some provinces, one of which is among the most prosperous provinces in the country, to opt out of this program, to give notice that they did not want to continue participating at 25 per cent. Frankly, I am surprised that the Hon. Member's representations are not made also to his provincial capital.

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Subtopic:   PROVINCIAL PARTICIPATION
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PC

PUBLIC SERVICE

LIB

Jean-Robert Gauthier

Liberal

Mr. Jean-Robert Gauthier (Ottawa-Vanier):

Mr. Speaker, this morning my question is directed to the President of the Treasury Board and is supplementary to a question I put to the Minister on Wednesday, May 2, which appears in Hansard on page 3327. It concerns the Pope's forthcoming visit to the National Capital and more particularly, the Mass that will be celebrated at the Equestrian Park in Nepean on September 20 at two o'clock in the afternoon.

Could the Minister inform the House, in connection with certain arrangements for federal public servants, and I am thinking more specifically of their hours of work on September 20, whether he now, as he promised last Wednesday, has

further information on arrangements for the day of the Pope's visit?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   FORTHCOMING PAPAL VISIT-EFFECT ON WORKING ARRANGEMENTS
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LIB

Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray (President of the Treasury Board)

Liberal

Hon. Herb Gray (President of the Treasury Board):

Mr. Speaker, there have been consultations among the Treasury Board Secretariat, public service unions, and the organizers of the papal visit. As a result, I am pleased to inform the House that the Treasury Board has approved arrangements under which employees, who will be absent from work as a result of circumstances arising from the papal visit, will be granted earned leave or time off, to be made up at a later date.

Specifically, the Treasury Board has approved this policy under which deputy heads are encouraged to approve the use of earned vacation, compensatory leave or lieu day credits, leave without pay, or time off with pay to be made up at a later date, when employees so request, provided appropriate arrangements are made to ensure that essential services are maintained.

I might add that detailed arrangements will be worked out within Departments in consultation with public service unions as local plans are made and their impact on local transit and transportation routes can be determined.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the Hon. Member for Ottawa-Vanier for his special interest in this subject which is an important one for the entire city of Ottawa and for all federal employees.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   FORTHCOMING PAPAL VISIT-EFFECT ON WORKING ARRANGEMENTS
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PARLIAMENT HILL

PC

Donald W. Munro

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Donald W. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich):

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Public Works. Would he indicate who authorized the unpardonable depredations of the approaches to the Parliament Buildings, particularly the border of the parliamentary lawn which has been completely devastated, its trees and flowers uprooted, and its wall is now being demolished, at some cost, I might add, not only to the public purse but to traffic patterns on the Hill, as well as to the general aesthetics?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PARLIAMENT HILL
Sub-subtopic:   PUBLIC WORKS-AUTHORIZATION FOR LAWN ALTERATIONS
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, I will take the responsibility for it.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PARLIAMENT HILL
Sub-subtopic:   PUBLIC WORKS-AUTHORIZATION FOR LAWN ALTERATIONS
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Some Hon. Members:

Shame.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PARLIAMENT HILL
Sub-subtopic:   PUBLIC WORKS-AUTHORIZATION FOR LAWN ALTERATIONS
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Mr. LeBlanc:

I am afraid I cannot join with the Hon. Member in some of his more flowery rhetoric. Anyone recognizes that if improvements are to be made, if a wall in dangerous condition is to be repaired, there should be an attempt to perform two or three other jobs in a co-ordinated manner at the time the lawn is being excavated in the area of

the wall, so that portions of the operation do not have to be repeated.

I, too, regret the inconvenience, although we have tried to keep it to an absolute minimum. I reassure Hon. Members that the Hill will be restored-and an historian is working on this very subject-to its proper appearance, in fact going back to the 1920s. Shrubs will be replaced. Some of the tress that were removed were diseased, so we decided that if we were to excavate the lawn we should try to do the complete job. Also I should inform Hon. Members that the work will be terminated rather quickly. I am sure that will go some way toward reassuring them.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PARLIAMENT HILL
Sub-subtopic:   PUBLIC WORKS-AUTHORIZATION FOR LAWN ALTERATIONS
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COST OF SUMMER PROGRAM

PC

Donald W. Munro

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Donald W. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich):

Mr. Speaker, there have been rumours that there is an upcoming special program and that this is in anticipation of it. If that is the case, would the Minister tell the House and the people of Canada the cost which is likely to be encountered, not only for the depredations which have already occurred but for any special programs of a public nature which may be organized to take place on the lawn later this summer?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   COST OF SUMMER PROGRAM
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Hon. Romeo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, I do not have the exact arithmetic in my head. I think the total cost of the program is in the area of $2 million. I might say to those Canadians who visit Parliament Hill that we will be presenting Son et Lumiere, a very well known technique of historical re-creation. This appears to be a rather wise investment of public funds.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   COST OF SUMMER PROGRAM
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PC

Donald W. Munro

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich):

At this time?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   COST OF SUMMER PROGRAM
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LIB

Roméo LeBlanc (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation)

Liberal

Mr. LeBlanc:

I might say also that there are those of us who think that the history of Canada is slightly wider than the one spectacle allowed on the parliamentary lawn, that is, the Changing of the Guard.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   COST OF SUMMER PROGRAM
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May 4, 1984