April 2, 1984

PC

Joseph Lloyd Reid

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Joe Reid (St. Catharines):

Mr. Speaker, in April of 1959 the St. Lawrence Seaway opened with considerable fanfare and much expectation. Its opening marked the realization of a 400 year old dream. Over the years the canals were dug and the locks were built, overcoming the natural obstacles to navigation. Construction was spurred on by the desire to make this waterway the most economical route to move goods to and from the very heart of the North American continent.

The area affected by the St. Lawrence Seaway is larger than all of free Europe, and contains nearly one-third of the combined population of Canada and the United States. It is a tremendous market and a dream worthy of our earlier generation. Now, 25 years later, that foresight and spirit of enterprise are lacking.

In the earlier years traffic growth on the Seaway exceeded predictions. Seaway tolls kept increasing, and to force carriers to build larger ships, lockage fees were imposed.

In 1982 traffic declined to its lowest level since 1974. Twenty per cent of the cargo carriers did not even leave port in 1983. Traffic forecasts for this anniversary year are even less encouraging.

The economical advantage of this great waterway has slipped away. The key to long term improvement in the Seaway will be the elimination of the lockage fees and a substantial reduction in the tolls that are charged. Only then will we be able to look forward to a happy fiftieth anniversary.

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Topic:   ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY CALL FOR ELIMINATION OF LOCKAGE FEES
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CANADA POST CORPORATION

PROPOSED RETAIL BUSINESS PROJECT

LIB

Henri Tousignant

Liberal

Mr. Henri Tousignant (Temiscamingue):

Mr. Speaker, the Canada Post Corporation's current plan to act as middleman in the retail trade is, to me, perhaps the most vicious attack ever made in this country against free enterprise. The Canada Post Corporation will never be able to realize its high-sounding objectives which include making the Corporation a profitable concern. Has a business ever been able to make its main line of business viable by depending on sidelines? Take Hydro-Quebec, for instance. If it were not able to make a profit on its main line of business, which is to sell electric power, could it keep its business viable by selling french fries on the street, Mr. Speaker?

I am just trying to say that the Canada Post Corporation will never succeed in making a profit by trying to set up sidelines and especially ones that are going to help destroy small businesses and small businessmen. Mr. Speaker, I hope this plan will be roundly criticized in the House, because most Members on this side of the House are opposed to this brilliant plan by the Canada Post Corporation.

I hope that on this side of the House and across Canada, in Chambers of Commerce, for instance, people will denounce this plan.

Topic:   CANADA POST CORPORATION
Subtopic:   PROPOSED RETAIL BUSINESS PROJECT
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LABOUR CONDITIONS

REMOVAL OF ENTERPRISES FROM ONE PROVINCE TO ANOTHER

NDP

Svend Johannes Robinson

New Democratic Party

Mr. Svend J. Robinson (Burnaby):

Mr. Speaker, Menasco Canada Limited deserves to be ostracized if it opens a new factory in Oakville after laying off 365 workers at its Ville Saint-Laurent plant last October. The employees of this multinational branch worked under a collective agreement from May 1979 to February 1982. When negotiations to renew their

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contract failed, employees signed a service contract with the CSN in order to receive technical assistance. Despite the presence of a mediator, negotiations could not continue because management went back on several points that had already been conceded. On July 11, 1982, Menasco locked out 365 workers, while admitting that there was no dispute with the union. Management then decided to move outside the province to show its opposition to the new provincial anti-scab law. Menasco is showing contempt for the interests of its employees, many of whom have between thirty and forty years of seniority, and it is doing so while taking advantage of interprovincial rivalry.

There is no financial incentive for transferring the activities of this factory to Ontario. Menasco is simply blackmailing both workers and governments. Once again, a multinational branch is showing its complete lack of interest in problems that affect the lives of its workers-

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   REMOVAL OF ENTERPRISES FROM ONE PROVINCE TO ANOTHER
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I am sorry to interrupt the Hon. Member, but his time has expired.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   REMOVAL OF ENTERPRISES FROM ONE PROVINCE TO ANOTHER
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EDUCATION

ONTARIO PROPOSAL TO ALTER UNIVERSITY CURRICULA

LIB

Stanley Hudecki (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. Stanley Hudecki (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of National Defence):

Mr. Speaker, the role of the university in society has always been to provide the milieu and the environment for learning, exploring, and creating. Another function is to provide the manpower to meet the spiritual and material demands of an ever-changing and complex world. Modern universities must also adapt to accommodate an increasing enrolment and adjust their curricula to the needs of the time in order to provide a balanced educational experience.

Currently the Province of Ontario is contemplating, through a commission set up by the province's Minister of Education, to exercise greater control over its universities, to reform them administratively, and to alter the format of a wide based general education.

1 am very concerned that the Government of Ontario might be tempted to push most students, through alterations in university curricula, into specialized careers at the expense of a more generalized type of education. We do need specialists, there is no doubt about that, but we also need generalists with a broad based education, who can amalgamate the basic knowledge of many specialties.

Our society will be relying more and more on generalists with a background in critical thought to act as co-ordinators and leaders in our society. The Government of Ontario must recognize this, and not sacrifice the quality of the humanities and social science courses in our universities.

Topic:   EDUCATION
Subtopic:   ONTARIO PROPOSAL TO ALTER UNIVERSITY CURRICULA
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NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY

RECOGNITION OF MARITIME BOUNDARIES

PC

Dave Nickerson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dave Nickerson (Western Arctic):

Mr. Speaker, today's appearance by the Minister of Justice (Mr. Mac-Guigan) before the panel of judges of the International Court of Justice in The Hague, where he will present Canada's case in the Gulf of Maine boundary dispute with the United States, focuses our attention on the dismal record of the Liberal Government in achieving internationally recognized and secure maritime boundaries for Canada. The Government has not only failed to establish agreed upon boundaries between Canada and the U.S.A. in the Gulf of Maine, but has also failed to resolve the Juan de Fuca Strait, Dixon Entrance, and Beaufort Sea disputes between the two countries.

Failure is not confined to negotiations with the U.S.A., but also is apparent in our relationships with Denmark over the Lincoln Sea, and with France over the St. Pierre-Miquelon area. Inconsistency of stance is apparent. For instance, the Government argues in favour of an equidistant line in the Gulf of Maine, but rejects it in the Beaufort Sea.

The effort to date has not been good enough. We must resolve these disputes so that Canada's borders will no longer be open to question, and fishermen and offshore resource developers can be sure of their rights and obligations.

Topic:   NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY
Subtopic:   RECOGNITION OF MARITIME BOUNDARIES
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

CENTRAL AMERICA-VISIT BY SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

NDP

Robert Joseph Ogle

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bob Ogle (Saskatoon East):

Mr. Speaker, today the Secretary of State for External Affairs (Mr. MacEachen) is beginning a trip to Central America. I wish him well. At the same time there is a possibility of military operations sponsored by the United States consisting of maybe 35,000 men. When the Secretary of State goes to that particular area I would like him to be conscious of the historical, cultural, economic and religious realities. They are very different from those we know in Canada. I would like him to remember that each country is unique and has a personality of its own. Also, I would like him to know that the situation in each country is different.

I believe Canada can have a great deal of good influence in that part of the world. This was what the subcommittee studying the question of Latin America brought forward, that Canada can be a good neighbour, and that just and peaceful solutions to the problems of that area will be worked out so that there will be self-determination, not intervention in the lives of those countries.

I hope the Secretary of State for External Affairs will denounce in clear terms that there can be no military solution. While he is there I hope he will see not only political people but church people at all levels of life, and refugees, and that he will talk to non-governmental groups. I wish him well. His is a

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difficult mission. As the first Canadian Secretary of State for External Affairs to visit that part of the world, I wish him all success. May each step on the way be marked by clear and concrete initiatives in support of justice, development, and peace.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   CENTRAL AMERICA-VISIT BY SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
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THE LATE LUIGI BARZINI

PC

David Kilgour

Progressive Conservative

Mr. David Kilgour (Edmonton-Strathcona):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say something about Luigi Barzini who died over the weekend in Rome at the age of 75. Mr. Barzini was in many ways a modern renaissance figure. He was an author, journalist, and a playwright. He was an urbane, witty, intellectual member of the Italian Parliament. His books include the world-famous The Italians, a controversial portrait of his fellow countrymen; Nuova York; Evasione in Mongolia; Americans are Alone in the World; The Europeans, a 1983 study of the nations making up the Common Market; The Communists Have Not Won; and Moscow, Moscow. In my view Mr. Barzini was a major world figure whose passing diminishes us all.

Topic:   THE LATE LUIGI BARZINI
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

April 2, 1984