January 27, 1984

STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21

ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS

PC

Stan Darling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Stan Darling (Parry Sound-Muskoka):

Mr. Speaker, President Reagan, in his State of the Union speech, Wednesday evening, announced a proposal to allocate funds of almost $55 million for acid rain research projects. How disappointing! The Reagan administration is still foot dragging and continues to rule out a program to curb the pollution that causes acid rain.

What is needed is not more research, though that is welcome, but actual programs to carry out the clean-up. It has become evident that the President's re-election schedule is far more important than acid rain. This is a token attempt, and was only outlined because the Democratic presidential candidates have taken a strong stand on what they would do in respect of acid rain. It is not enough.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   DISAPPOINTMENT EXPRESSED WITH UNITED STATES PROPOSAL TO CONDUCT FURTHER ACID RAIN RESEARCH
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THE PRIME MINISTER

PC

Gordon Edward Taylor

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Gordon Taylor (Bow River):

Mr. Speaker, the theory of the divine right of kings, namely, that the ruler governed by divine ordinance, or that perhaps he himself was a divinity, has long since been discarded. Well, almost discarded. Today we appear to have a new version namely, the divine right of the Prime Minister. For instance, he laid his hands upon his loyal aide and servant and the anointed one was supposed to go forth and win Spadina. Something went wrong and he lost. Now, according to The Globe and Mail, the said anointed is not only at work in Spadina but is going even further afield-

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The Chair has some concern about the use of Standing Order 21 for this kind of attack. It has been raised before by the Hon. Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) and other Hon. Members. I can only say that the device of an attack on individual Members through the use of Standing Order 21 is not in order in the House. The Hon. Member for Winnipeg-Birds Hill (Mr. Blaikie).

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER
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UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE

NDP

William Alexander (Bill) Blaikie (N.D.P. Caucus Chair)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg-Birds Hill):

Mr. Speaker, recently colleagues of mine have been pressing the Minister of Finance (Mr. Lalonde) about the human dimension of the unemployment problem, about what he intends to do, and about what he thinks Canadians should do who find themselves in the position of being without work or unemployment insurance benefits, and without a Government with the will to do something to create the jobs they need.

I would call to the attention of the House, particularly to the Government, the people who find themselves in the position of a number of constituents 1 have had the opportunity to meet, who would be in their mid to late fifties, and have been laid off. They have done warehouse work perhaps, or something like that, for 30 years, and now find they cannot do that kind of work any more. They have been laid off in favour of younger men. They are not old enough for old age pensions, they are not disabled enough for the Canada Pension Disability Pension and they are not young enough to find a job somewhere else, doing what they are able to do. What does the Minister of Finance have to say to those kinds of people who find themselves in this twilight zone between being able to find a job and being old enough for a pension?

I implore the Government to do something to meet the needs of these hard-working people who cannot find a job. They do not want to go on welfare. If we want to continue to call ourselves a civilized society, the Government has to move on this issue and do something for people who find themselves in that kind of situation, either by amending the Unemployment Insurance Act and/or the Canada Pension Act.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
Sub-subtopic:   PLIGHT OF MIDDLE AGED WITHOUT BENEFITS
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SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

PC

James Gordon Gilchrist

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Gordon Gilchrist (Scarborough East):

Mr. Speaker, this week the Minister of State for Science and Technology (Mr. Johnston) made three announcements designed to support Canadian micro-electronics, universities, and the natural sciences. In view of the deplorable state of research, innovation and development support provided by the Government for the past 16 years, these announcements seem to be wonderful on the surface, and very welcome. But to someone stranded for days on the desert, a mouthful of water and a soda cracker seem like a banquet, and this is what we have. They are imponderable and impossible to judge by thoughtful and

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reasonable Members of this House, or by the science community, or by the business community at large. These initiatives sound great, when in reality they may be misdirected efforts and the wrong application of funds.

If Parliament is to be effective in evaluating research opportunities to generate wealth for Canada and real jobs for Canadians, it must have a meaningful forum in which to do so. Such a forum would be a standing committee on science and technology, made up of Members in all Parties, a committee that would be able to listen to the concerns and ideas of the real world. The committee could hear scientists and experts on important subjects, such as specific job creation in high tech industries, the upgrading of lower tech industries, a more efficient extraction process in mining, better means of transportation, reduction in acid rain emissions, and many other important issues which must be effectively addressed if we are to regain our economic stability.

Last year all Parties in the House agreed to the need for such a committee. A joint recommendation was made to all three House Leaders, and they agreed with the need. Is it because the Government is still unaware of the real value of science and technology and has learned nothing in the past 16 years that we do not now have such a committee? Does the Government intend to continue issuing spurious announcements which are intended only to influence voters?

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
Sub-subtopic:   CALL FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The Hon. Member's time has expired.

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Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
Sub-subtopic:   CALL FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE
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CITY OF MONTREAL POLICE

LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The Hon. Member for Lac-Saint-Jean.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   CITY OF MONTREAL POLICE
Sub-subtopic:   TRIBUTE TO CORPS
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Mr. Pierre Gimai@

Mr. Speaker, 1 have a very special reason for asking to speak in the House today. I suppose that like most Canadians and especially Quebecers, you were able to follow what happened during the last forty-eight hours to a little Montreal girl, Veronique Rocheleau, who is eight years old. Yesterday, the story had a happy ending, and today in the House, I wish to emphasize, first of all, the work done by the Montreal Police Corps and by all the people of Montreal. All Quebecers and people everywhere in Canada were anxious to hear the little girl had been found, and as the Member for Lac-Saint-Jean and speaking on behalf of the people of my riding and my colleagues, I would like to say that we are very happy that this story ended as it did and that this little girl was able to escape and go back to her parents.

Mr. Speaker, this series of events was particularly moving since as a result, the whole country became involved, at least in

spirit, and we must thank God that everything turned out well and hope there will be no similar incidents in this beautiful country of ours.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   CITY OF MONTREAL POLICE
Sub-subtopic:   TRIBUTE TO CORPS
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EDUCATION

PC

Walter Leland Rutherford (Lee) Clark

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lee Clark (Brandon-Souris):

Mr. Speaker, Canadian universities have reached the crisis point, and it is up to the Government to decide whether it will contribute to the problem or to the solution. Universities have the capacity to decide whether Canadians will be active participants in the research and development boom or simply passive bystanders.

The Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada recently told the Government that there are not enough Ph.D.s in the very professions which are required to meet present R and D demands, and there are certainly not enough students enrolled in graduate programs to meet future R and D demands. On the one hand the Government has boldly stated that R and D is a priority, yet at the same time it has refused to make education financing an area of priority.

Meanwhile, university enrolments are increasing, due in large part to massive unemployment among youth, created largely by the Government's policies. At Brandon University, for example, student enrolment is higher than it has ever been. Again, the Government is not listening. It is not responding.

There is considerable evidence that universities can fuel the re-entry of women into the workplace. Once again, by refusing to make education financing a priority, the Government is failing to meet the challenge. In effect, universities are pleading with the Government of Canada to answer the challenges of tomorrow. The Government, regretfully, has answered the plea with one word, no.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   EDUCATION
Sub-subtopic:   FINANCING OF UNIVERSITIES-PLEA FOR GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE
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AGRICULTURE

NDP

Victor Fredrich (Vic) Althouse

New Democratic Party

Mr. Vic Althouse (Humboldt-Lake Centre):

Mr. Speaker, many times in the House the Minister of Finance has made statements leading up to his forthcoming Budget, indicating that recovery is upon us. I would like to point out that there are many groups which are not sharing in the so-called recovery. The farmers of Canada are an important group in our country who reached a net income in 1974 which, for the first time, was equivalent to the average industrial wage earner's. In 1974 the net income of farmers was $3.5 billion. It is interesting to note that in 1983 the net income for farmers was again $3.5 billion, in spite of inflation, and the cost of living rising more than two and one half times.

The solution that has been offered by many politicians and economists of late is increased productivity. In the past 10 years Canadian farmers have increased productivity on a per man and woman basis probably faster than any other group in our economy. Yet they were rewarded by having their real net incomes cut in half.

The Minister of Finance, in his Budget which is soon to be presented to this House, would be wise to remember that if a recovery does exist in this country-

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   FARMERS' NET INCOME
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LIB

Gildas L. Molgat (Speaker pro tempore)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The Hon. Member's time has expired.

Topic:   STATEMENTS PURSUANT TO S.O. 21
Subtopic:   AGRICULTURE
Sub-subtopic:   FARMERS' NET INCOME
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

January 27, 1984