November 24, 1983

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT


The House resumed from Friday, November 19, 1982 consideration of the motion of Mr. Gray that Bill C-96, an Act to amend the Financial Administration Act, be read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Estimates.


LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, 1 rise on a point of order. I would just like to mention that there is an agreement among the House Leaders to deal with all stages of this Bill today. Therefore, the motion should be amended and the reference be to send the Bill to the Committee of the Whole, not to the Standing Committee. I want to put on record that all the necessary consent should be sought in due time, but it will be given to allow this Bill to get through all stages today.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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IND

William J. Yurko

Independent

Mr. Yurko:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. 1 would like to ask the House Leader for some clarification in connection with the procedure that he is now proposing. Is he suggesting that, as a result of a meeting between himself and two Party House Leaders, the procedure can now be changed without putting the matter before the House for unanimous consent? Or are we proceeding as the Orders of the Day state so that I might have a chance to speak on the Bill if I wish to do so? 1 would like to have the House Leader clarify these points 1 have put before the House.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, the consent is only to allow the Bill to be dealt with through all stages today. There is no doubt that if the Hon. Member seeks the floor and the Speaker wants to recognize him, he will be allowed to speak during the next few hours available for debate. Debate is not limited to one speaker per Party.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

Arthur Ronald Huntington

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Huntington:

Mr. Speaker, we have agreed to put the Bill through all stages today. If we are to do so, I think the Bill should be in Committee of the Whole before one o'clock. I would think we could have something like two speeches, if the Hon. Member for Edmonton East wants to take his 20 minutes. I would certainly appreciate a few minutes at second reading before we go to Committee of the Whole.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, the agreement we made was not specific as to how long debate would last at second reading and in Committee of the Whole. I think we should let debate go on and we shall see what happens later. There was no firm deal as to the number of speakers at second reading, for example.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

Arthur Ronald Huntington

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Huntington:

Mr. Speaker, 1 was somewhat troubled in getting ready for the debate today. There are a substantial number of amendments to this Bill that we have to get through in Committee of the Whole. Was there a breakdown in the proceedings? Why were the amendments not published in the Order Paper? How are we going to handle this? Are they going to be read into the record? Are they going to be handled one at a time as we proceed in Committee of the Whole?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, while debate is going on at second reading, we might consider a reasonable approach to dealing with the numerous amendments when we reach Committee of the Whole stage. I will speak with the President of the Treasury Board. I have a meeting with the House Leaders in 15 minutes. If we can be useful, fine. The agreement was that we dispose of the Bill today in the House of Commons. If we have the time to deal with all the amendments, fine. If we do not have the time, they will have to be voted on very quickly.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

Erik Nielsen (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

Mr. Speaker, the Government House Leader sets forth with accuracy the fact that there has been agreement to pass the Bill through all three stages today which, of course, does not prevent the Hon. Member for Edmonton East from speaking. I was unaware of any Government amendments with respect to the legislation and presumably there are such amendments. It might facilitate the matter and would certainly be a courtesy to all Members of the House if we could have copies of those amendments distributed to all Hon. Members. This has caught me somewhat by surprise.

Another thing I should say is that I agree with the Hon. Member for Capilano. We should try to move on to Committee of the Whole to deal with these amendments as quickly as possible and I think that that could be accomplished if we were to hold the number of speakers down to a minimum on second reading.

If I might have the attention of the Government House Leader so that he can concur, the third thing I would like to remind him of is that we agreed to deal with this Bill today. If it happens to conclude before six o'clock today, we will see the clock as being six o'clock with no intervening business after the conclusion of this business and before the six o'clock closing of business.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Agreed.

November 24, 1983

Financial Administration Act

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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IND

William J. Yurko

Independent

Mr. Yurko:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. 1 am not sure that I have full clarification in my mind as to what is going on in the House at this particular moment. The Government House Leader indicated that an agreement has been reached to make certain that the Bill passes today. 1 recognize that I sit as an independent and can only speak once on second reading and once on third reading, 1 hope.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

Erik Nielsen (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

But you are unlimited in Committee of the Whole.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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IND

William J. Yurko

Independent

Mr. Yurko:

I know that. I can speak during Committee of the Whole in terms of the number of amendments that are made, and indeed they are quite substantive. If a person were to get really interested in asking questions about these amendments, I imagine he could hold the Bill up for several hours and indeed for several days.

My point of view again, Mr. Speaker, is not that I am particularly interested in the Bill. I am interested in the procedure which goes on in the House with respect to independents who may be here in the future. There may be 20 of us in the future, I do not know. I am concerned that an agreement has been reached between the three Parties indicating that the Bill should be passed today without putting the matter by way of a vote of unanimous consent in the House. If the matter were to be put and indeed unanimous consent were to be requested, I would be prepared to give that unanimous consent without too much difficulty. However, the point I make is, how can an agreement be made in such a way that it impinges upon my rights in the House without my being party to that agreement?

As I said, if I wished to become miserable, I could certainly delay this Bill beyond the course of the day, particularly in Committee of the Whole. I simply ask again for clarification from the Government House Leader as to whether a request for unanimous consent to this agreement should be put in the House or whether he is simply prepared to go ahead, hoping that it will indeed pass in the course of the day if I do not become too mouthy, if you wish, in terms of asking questions in Committee of the Whole.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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PC

Erik Nielsen (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

He was asking for consent.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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IND

William J. Yurko

Independent

Mr. Yurko:

If he is asking for consent, then I expect the Speaker will put the request for unanimous consent to deal with the Bill in its entirety this day to the House. If the Speaker does so, then I would certainly be prepared to give my consent.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Yvon Pinard (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Pinard:

Mr. Speaker, if you seek that consent, we are prepared to give that consent as well.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Eymard G. Corbin (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Corbin):

Order. In that case, the House has heard the proposal put forward by the Hon. President of the Privy Council to the effect that the House will deal today with all three stages of Bill C-96, an Act to amend the Financial Administration Act. Is that agreed?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some Hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO AMEND
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November 24, 1983