October 13, 1983

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An Hon. Member:

And so is she.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Douglas Keith Anguish

New Democratic Party

Mr. Anguish:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like to point out to you, Mr. Speaker, that you are very quick to call our Members to relevancy.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

Shame.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Douglas Keith Anguish

New Democratic Party

Mr. Anguish:

It is very hard for a Member in this House to stand up and try to be relevant to the Bill when there is all this chatter over here. If you did your job in the Chair-

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Cyril Lloyd Francis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order, please. With all due respect to the Hon. Member, the Chair has listened very carefully.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Douglas Keith Anguish

New Democratic Party

Mr. Anguish:

Mr. Speaker-

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Cyril Lloyd Francis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Would the Hon. Member please sit down? The Chair has been listening very carefully to the Hon. Member for New Westminster-Coquitlam (Miss Jewett) and invites the Hon. Member to continue and relate her remarks to the amendment before the House.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Pauline Jewett

New Democratic Party

Miss Jewett:

Mr. Speaker, I do believe they are quite relevant. I am talking about the cost-benefit analysis that ought to be done.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Jesse Philip Flis (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Flis:

Mr. Speaker, I think it is very clear that the New Democratic Party has run out of speakers who know anything about Bill C-155.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Cyril Lloyd Francis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

The Hon. Member is not making a point of order.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Douglas Keith Anguish

New Democratic Party

Mr. Anguish:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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LIB

Cyril Lloyd Francis (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

The Hon. Member for New Westminster-Coquitlam has the floor, and she has an opportunity to make her point.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Pauline Jewett

New Democratic Party

Miss Jewett:

Mr. Speaker, if I may, I was trying very hard to show why there should not be an abandonment until there is a cost-benefit analysis done. I was referring to the Iowa study because Iowa did abandon railways and then discovered, on the basis of the cost-benefit analysis, that it had made a mistake. I thought that was really quite relevant to the motion. Also, I just wanted to convince my friends that I did know what I was discussing.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

Oh, oh!

October 13, 1983

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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NDP

Pauline Jewett

New Democratic Party

Miss Jewett:

I just wanted to make the third and last point which concerns public benefits. It does relate to the cost-benefit analysis that I think we should be undertaking and are not. The article continues:

Public benefits-"the primary public benefit from an upgrading project is highway cost savings resulting from additional trucking avoided if the line is upgraded rather than abandoned." The quantities shipped in the past on the line in question are converted to equivalent truckloads, their destinations determined, and the impact on the highway system computed.

The point I wanted to make is that that kind of analysis has not been done by the CTC and that it should be done before we proceed any further with the Government's Bill. By passing this motion we would facilitate such studies being done.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

More.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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Some Hon. Members:

Continue.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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PC

Albert Glen Cooper

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Albert Cooper (Peace River):

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to have the opportunity to enter into debate on Motion No. 35. Before I begin my remarks I want to compliment the Hon. Member who preceded me on her excellent speech.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   WESTERN GRAIN TRANSPORTATION ACT
Sub-subtopic:   MEASURE TO ESTABLISH
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October 13, 1983