October 12, 1983

PC

James Aloysius McGrath

Progressive Conservative

Hon. James A. McGrath (St. John's East):

Madam Speaker, let me ask the Minister a question which he seemed to dismiss out of hand earlier today. Does he intend to accept the recommendation of the Council that the Government join with employers and employee associations to study the possibility of restructuring the unemployment insurance system with a view to integrating it much more effectively with job creation and training programs? On the surface that seems to be a very reasonable proposal, given the fact that we are paying out so much money in unemployment insurance. Does the Government intend to accept that recommendation and, if not, why not?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PROPOSAL TO RESTRUCTURE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE SYSTEM
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LIB

John (Moody) Roberts (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. John Roberts (Minister of Employment and Immigration):

Madam Speaker, we do intend to consider very seriously all the recommendations in what is a very serious study. I think the recommendations are very much worthy of review.

I believe I should say at the outset that my major concern and highest priority is job creation. I am not sure that tinkering away or fundamentally changing the basic unemployment insurance structure which we now have is the best way to accomplish that objective. We will study the recommendations

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very seriously. Whether we will be prepared to act in a way which is recommended to us is something which will require some reflection.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   PROPOSAL TO RESTRUCTURE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE SYSTEM
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STATUS OF WOMEN

PC

Walter Franklin McLean

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walter McLean (Waterloo):

Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Status of Women. She will be aware that the Economic Council of Canada has a complete section on women and women's issues in its 1983 Report. Recommendation 15 reads, "that the federal Government should consider revising the Income Tax Act so as to convert what are now exemptions for wholly dependent children to income tax credits." Will she tell the House whether she supports the proposal that all deductions- I repeat "all deductions"-be shifted to credits as recommended by the Economic Council of Canada and the National Council on Welfare?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   STATUS OF WOMEN
Sub-subtopic:   RECOMMENDED CHANGE IN INCOME TAX ACT
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LIB

Judith A. Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs; Minister responsible for the Status of Women)

Liberal

Hon. Judy Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Madam Speaker, I am delighted that the Hon. Member has taken time to read that particular chapter. We had a great deal of co-operation take place between Status of Women Canada and the Economic Council of Canada. 1 am particularly pleased with the results of that work.

While I have not had a chance to examine the complete Report, I will say to the Hon. Member that many of the suggestions are very useful and this is one which I will take under consideration.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   STATUS OF WOMEN
Sub-subtopic:   RECOMMENDED CHANGE IN INCOME TAX ACT
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MINISTER'S POSITION

PC

Walter Franklin McLean

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walter McLean (Waterloo):

Madam Speaker, the Minister has ducked the question. The question is whether she will personnally support the proposal that all deductions be shifted to credits. We hear her affirmations about the work that has been done and share that view, but is she prepared, herself, personally to support that shift?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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LIB

Judith A. Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs; Minister responsible for the Status of Women)

Liberal

Hon. Judy Erola (Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs):

Madam Speaker, my record is very clear. I have always said that we must examine the taxation system in order to have a better understanding of how taxation affects women and families. But those decisions are made collectively by Cabinet, of course.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MINISTER'S POSITION
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MEDICAL CARE

NDP

William Alexander (Bill) Blaikie (N.D.P. Caucus Chair)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg-Birds Hill):

Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Health and Welfare. She will recall that the Commonwealth Health Min-

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isters' Conference concluded last week with the view that we need to move toward preventive health care systems as quickly as possible, and to develop alternatives to the present physician dominated curative health care model. This is a view that has long been advanced by the NDP and other groups such as the Canadian Nurses' Association.

When we finally see the long awaited Canada Health Act, could the Minister tell the House if we will also see anything in that Act that will address the need for the development of alternative health care models, and will we see anything which will provide for federal Government leadership in developing those health care models? Can we look forward to anything in that vein?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MEDICAL CARE
Sub-subtopic:   DEVELOPMENT OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS
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LIB

Monique Bégin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Hon. Mlonique Begin (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Madam Speaker, unfortunately it will not be done through the Canada Health Act because of the division of powers as defined by the Constitution. I have often discussed this with groups such as the nurses, who are very good supporters of Medicare. All those health workers and Canadians generally who have adopted the now internationally famous "New Perspectives on Health for Canadians", which was published by this Government in 1975 by my predecessor, the present Minister of Finance, accept the fact that we must move toward that goal. However, the Constitution only permits us the basic conditions attached to the spending power. Therefore, we have taken some leadership which I am interested in seeing grow through seminars, panels, health promotion programs, as well as funding for demonstrations and pilot projects all over the country. Any other such suggestions are welcomed.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   MEDICAL CARE
Sub-subtopic:   DEVELOPMENT OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS
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HEALTH CARE FUNDING

NDP

William Alexander (Bill) Blaikie (N.D.P. Caucus Chair)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg-Birds Hill):

Madam Speaker, the Minister will know that one course of action she does have the opportunity to take, and I have urged her to do so a number of times, is to reopen the question of the adequacy of federal funding for Medicare.

While reopening the question of federal funding, if she finally did so, the Minister could also consider ways in which the federal Government, through direct cost-sharing of new approaches to health care, might show some leadership? That is within the constitutional purview of the Government. It has the ability to do that. Indeed, that is how Medicare was originally established. Does the Minister intend to take action in this area?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HEALTH CARE FUNDING
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LIB

Monique Bégin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Hon. Monique Begin (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Madam Speaker, I know that the Hon. Member is a strong supporter of Medicare. We on this side are as well. However, I feel like asking him to make up his mind. In his first question the Hon. Member told me the conclusion of the Commonwealth Health Ministers' meeting was to redistribute existing resources, that we must go preventive and improve the health status of Canadians, and that no new money is needed. That is what we have always said. Several experts in Canada

have established that funding for health care is adequate but there is still room for lots of improvement within it to yield better results.

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Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   HEALTH CARE FUNDING
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EMPLOYMENT

LIB

Alexandre Cyr

Liberal

Mr. Alexandre Cyr (Gaspe):

Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Hon. Minister of Employment and Immigration. Deep sea fishermen in the Gulf, especially from the ridings of Gaspe and Bonaventure, are having financial problems now that the cod quotas are full and the fishing grounds have been closed down. Furthermore, these fishermen are not eligible for NEED projects because they are self-employed. Could the Hon. Minister inform the House whether he could let the benefit period start on October 10 instead of November 1, and could he amend the regulations of the job creation program so that fishermen could be employed right away under NEED projects.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   GULF OF ST. LAWRENCE, GASPE AND BONAVENTURE DEEP SEA FISHERMEN-POSSIBILITY OF AMENDING JOB-CREATION PROGRAM REGULATIONS
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LIB

John (Moody) Roberts (Minister of Employment and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. John Roberts (Minister of Employment and Immigration):

Madam Speaker, 1 want to thank the Hon. Member for drawing my attention to this problem. I shall certainly look into it, but I am not sure how a change could be made in the date on which benefits are to begin. However, I will give it some thought and find out whether something could be done under the NEED program. I shall give the Hon. Member a reply as soon as possible.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   EMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   GULF OF ST. LAWRENCE, GASPE AND BONAVENTURE DEEP SEA FISHERMEN-POSSIBILITY OF AMENDING JOB-CREATION PROGRAM REGULATIONS
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AIR CANADA

PC

John Patrick (Pat) Nowlan

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Pat Nowlan (Annapolis Valley-Hants):

Madam Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Justice. Last December in a response to a request from the then Minister of Transport, the RCMP launched an investigation into the purchase by Air Canada of a new headquarters site in Montreal. Can the Minister tell us the status of that investigation? Has it been completed? Has he received the report? Can he tell us what action, if any, he is going to take as a result of that investigation?

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   PURCHASE OF MONTREAL HEADQUARTERS-RCMP INVESTIGATION
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LIB

Mark R. MacGuigan (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Mark MacGuigan (Minister of Justice):

Madam Speaker, the investigation is not entirely complete in all respects. In any event, 1 think it would be the role of the Attorney General of the Province in question to take any

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follow-up action with respect to prosecution. I can assure my hon. friend that we take this issue very seriously.

Topic:   ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
Subtopic:   AIR CANADA
Sub-subtopic:   PURCHASE OF MONTREAL HEADQUARTERS-RCMP INVESTIGATION
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October 12, 1983