May 19, 1982

LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

Is the House ready for the question?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Question.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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?

Some hon. Members:

No.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

All those in favour will

please say yea.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Yea.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

All those opposed will

please say nay.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Nay.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

In my opinion the nays have it. Pursuant to section (11) of Standing Order 75, a recorded division on the proposed motion stands deferred.

I have before me a motion standing in the name of the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources (Mr. Lalonde), but the Chair will recognize the hon. member for Vancouver-Kingsway (Mr. Waddell) on a point of order if he wishes to seek the unanimous consent of the House to put his own motion first.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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NDP

Ian Gardiner Waddell

New Democratic Party

Mr. Ian Waddell (Vancouver-Kingsway):

Mr. Speaker, I so seek that consent. I think it would be easier to deal with our motion briefly at this point since it does refer to the bill as printed now, and I believe there is agreement. I will just put the motion and ask the hon. member for Kootenay West (Mr. Kristiansen) to speak briefly. I move:

May 19, 1982

Energy, Mines and Resources

That Bill C-102, to amend the Department of Energy, Mines and Resources Act, be amended in Clause 1

(a) by striking out line 18 at page 3 and substituting the following therefor:-

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

Order, please. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. member, but what I offered him the opportunity to do was to ask for the unanimous consent of the House to put his motion before the government motion. That is what I am prepared to deal with now, if that is all right with the hon. member.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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NDP

Ian Gardiner Waddell

New Democratic Party

Mr. Waddell:

Yes, that is what I ask.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

The hon. member for Vancouver-Kingsway seeks the unanimous consent of the House to place his motion ahead of the one which will be presented by the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. Does the hon. member have unanimous consent?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

Now either the hon. member for Vancouver-Kingsway or the hon. member for Kootenay West (Mr. Kristiansen) may address Motion No. 6.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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NDP

Ian Gardiner Waddell

New Democratic Party

Mr. Waddell moved:

Motion No. 6

That Bill C-102, to amend the Department of Energy, Mines and Resources Act, be amended in Clause 1

(a) by striking out line 18 at page 3 and substituting the following therefor:

"not less than ten members of the House"

(b) by striking out lines 38 and 39 at page 3 and substituting the following

therefor:

"than five hours and, on the conclusion of such debate or at the expiry of the fifth"

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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NDP

Lyle Stuart Kristiansen

New Democratic Party

Mr. Lyle S. Kristiansen (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, 1 will speak very briefly on what is a rather minor amendment to substitute the number ten for the number 30 which is contained in Bill C-102 as it is now.

A negative resolution is one of the options which will be available to us under this bill. In other legislation the number of members required to call for a negative resolution is ten. For example, Section 52 of the Petroleum Administration Act allows ten members of Parliament to present a negative resolution if they object to the unilateral setting of oil or natural gas prices by the government. The amendment we are putting forward seeks to amend a provision the government agreed to in committee, and that provision would reduce the number from 50 to 30. Our amendment proposes to reduce the number required to initiate a negative resolution from 30 to ten. That seems eminently reasonable to us. It is consistent with other legislative practices. Before the government can act, Members of Parliament should be afforded a better opportunity to fulfil their legitimate functions.

The second part of the amendment would delete the reference at page 3 of the bill to a maximum of three hours' debate and institute in its place a maximum of Five hours' debate. The clear reason for that is to ensure that while there is not an

unreasonably long and dragged out debate, this House, Members of Parliament and the people of Canada would be protected. Three hours on a Wednesday-or three hours on a Friday especially-would provide very little opportunity to bring about any public recognition of the issues involved.

We propose this amendment for those two basic reasons, and I ask hon. members to support it.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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LIB

Roderick Blaker (Assistant Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Blaker):

Is the House ready for the question?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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Some hon. Members:

Question.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT ORDERS
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES ACT MEASURE TO AMEND
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May 19, 1982