July 16, 1980

PC

Geoffrey Douglas Scott

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Geoff Scott (Hamilton-Wentworth):

Madam Speaker, I rise, under the provisions of Standing Order 43, on a grave matter of urgency which I hope will receive sympathetic support on all sides of this House.

In view of at least 26 more Iranians dying on Monday before a firing squad, including two leaders of the Baha'i religious sect, I move, seconded by the hon. member for Eglinton-Lawrence (Mr. de Corneille):

That this House of Commons deplores the continued persecution of religious minorities in Iran, especially the 200,000 Baha'is, and urges that this total abuse of religious tolerance be brought to the attention of the Human Rights Committee of the United Nations.

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Subtopic:   HUMAN RIGHTS
Sub-subtopic:   CONDEMNATION OF PERSECUTION OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN IRAN-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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LIB

Jeanne Sauvé (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Madam Speaker:

Such a motion requires the unanimous consent of the House. Is there unanimous consent?

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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LIB

Jeanne Sauvé (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Madam Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Subtopic:   HUMAN RIGHTS
Sub-subtopic:   CONDEMNATION OF PERSECUTION OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN IRAN-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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Subtopic:   HUMAN RIGHTS
Sub-subtopic:   CONDEMNATION OF PERSECUTION OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN IRAN-MOTION UNDER S.O. 43
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Motion agreed to.


ORAL QUESTION PERIOD

REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION

PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Hon. John C. Crosbie (St. John's West):

Madam Speaker, my question is to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister will recall that in 1968 he had two great themes when he came into power in Canada. One was to overcome regional disparity in Canada.

I want to draw to his attention that in real, 1971 dollar terms, DREE spending by the government decreased 22 per cent between 1970 and 1978, while other government departments' spending, in real terms, rose 60.6 per cent. DREE spending is now only 1.2 per cent of total government spending, whereas it was 2.5 per cent in 1970. Whereas Atlantic Canadians earned 34 per cent less in earned income than

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Canadians generally in 1974, by 1978 they were earning 34'A per cent less.

In view of these facts, I would like to ask the Prime Minister whether he will make a commitment that the government will give first priority to the overcoming of regional disparities in Canada. Will he make a commitment? Will he review his position on offshore mineral resources so that the people of Atlantic Canada can be given a chance to develop their own earned income now that government assistance in this way has failed so miserably despite these great efforts?

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Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE FOR ATLANTIC PROVINCES-DREE GRANTS
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. P. E. Trudeau (Prime Minister):

Madam Speaker, the situation in the Atlantic provinces obviously is one of disparity compared with richer parts of Canada. We have many policies to attack that. DREE is only one of them.

When we refer to the energy policy of which the hon. member talks, I can assure him that it is the policy of this government, in our energy policy in the past and in the future, to ensure that the maritimes and eastern Canada have, indeed, received equalization funds to the tune of many billions of dollars since we brought in our energy policy.

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Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE FOR ATLANTIC PROVINCES-DREE GRANTS
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PC

Ramon John Hnatyshyn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hnatyshyn:

When was that?

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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Since 1974. If we have the support of the House for the energy policy we proposed during the campaign, the Atlantic and other parts of Canada would benefit greatly-consumers as well as industry.

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PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crosbie:

Madam Speaker, Atlantic Canadians do not want to be subsidized by the rest of Canada. They do not want hand-outs; they want to earn their own way.

The figures show that despite attempts by the government since 1968 to overcome this, the proportion of earned income of Atlantic Canadians compared with the rest of Canada has declined, not increased. We are not being given the chance to earn our own way. That is what we want. Would the Prime Minister specify what new initiatives he is taking? One suggestion would be to confirm ownership of offshore mineral resources in the provinces. Let them earn their own way, rather than give them equalization.

Second, would the Prime Minister give orders to his ministry to expedite the development of Lower Churchill power resources? The reports are now in to his Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources and to the Newfoundland government. Will the Prime Minister expedite that? What actions will he take to expedite economic development in Atlantic Canada- not hand-outs? They are not working.

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Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE FOR ATLANTIC PROVINCES-DREE GRANTS
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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Madam Speaker, hand-outs have certainly never been our approach. But when the hon. member complains that there is not enough money in DREE, for instance, and then goes on to say that the maritimes do not want to be subsidized, I fail to see how he is consistent in suggesting that

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we put subsidies into the Atlantic provinces in order to create economic growth there. That has been our policy.

1 cannot understand the hon. member, who is certainly in disagreement with the Atlantic premiers, when he says they do not want any form of subsidy. They hope eventually to reach the stage of economic growth where they can help the rest of Canada, and this is our hope too. The commitment we have made regarding the offshore is that until the provinces with resources off their shores have reached the average income in Canada, we intend to see that they get the overwhelming part of the resources from the offshore, precisely so that they will not have to receive subsidies.

We do not count DREE as one aspect of subsidy, as the hon. member seems to do, as against comparative statistics on income. I know that the statistics show that since DREE was instituted in 1969, the migration from the maritimes has been reversed. I think this shows that people are now moving to the maritimes because they see that in the ten years of Liberal federal government they have been given a chance to prosper.

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Subtopic:   REGIONAL ECONOMIC EXPANSION
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crosbie:

I have a final supplementary question, Madam Speaker. People are moving back to the maritimes because under Liberal government there is no opportunity anywhere in Canada, and they might as well move back to the Atlantic provinces where the Tory provincial governments are.

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Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE FOR ATLANTIC PROVINCES-DREE GRANTS
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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear!

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PC

John Carnell Crosbie

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Crosbie:

I cite the figures that government spending has increased, in real terms, 60.6 per cent from 1970 to 1978, while DREE spending decreased 22 per cent, to show the Prime Minister that he is falling down in his commitment to the people of Atlantic Canada.

1 should like to ask him this: would he give his ministry directions to expedite economic and industrial development projects, such as the Synchrolift in the dockyard owned by the government in St. John's harbour which will create jobs, or institute a policy of building east coast fishing vessels in east coast shipyards, something that was done in the budget of December 11; or would he direct his Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources to help expedite the opening of the Come-by-Chance oil refinery? These are all things which will create employment and wealth in eastern Canada. That is what we want-

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LIB

Jeanne Sauvé (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Madam Speaker:

Order, please.

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LIB

Pierre Elliott Trudeau (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Trudeau:

Yes, Madam Speaker, and it is essential and at the very core of the energy policy which we will be proposing to this House, and which 1 will be discussing with Premier Lougheed next week, that this great windfall in energy prices serve to benefit all Canadians and permit us to expedite the very projects with which the hon. member is concerned. This makes me hope that we will have the support

of that party when we try to redistribute the wealth which is coming to this country from windfall OPEC prices.

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July 16, 1980